Birth Certificate - What it is

[Casper]

http://www.weissparis.com/july4.html

In my opinion, there are at least 3 parties to this Registered Organization. The man, the entity on the birth certifcate called the "person" (legal name), and fedgov. There may even be an outside investor, or stockholders.

So is the BC the issue? Or the fact you voluntarily used it to become a federal personnel and operate a STATE agency in INTERSTATE COMMERCE within "this state"? And volunteered to be treated as a taxpayer? So how do you come out of this beast, its name, and the number of its name?

[salsero]

As way of a point of consistency: "It is called by your legal name". I do not agree with it is YOUR legal name. It is their name that you use, as it was sent to you for YOUR exclusive use. If they create the document, as creators, it can not be yours. Your parents do not call you JOHN DOE. They call you John and it just so happens you share the family name with other Doe's; therefore, the Name Doe is not yours, as in exclusive ownership. The state being clever, put your name and family name together and created a title or property - which through legal presumption, they get you the man under their tangled web called jurisdiction WHEN you claim that as your name.

I believe what you mean as "it is dormant", you are suggesting the estate that was created. It is there until you reach age of majority and sound mind to claim those "benefits". However, I do not agree that those "benefits" are yours, those benefits are theirs. You have been left totally naked and spoliated, as a man.

I do not agree that "I am licensed and insured". What is licensed and insured is their property name that I use. If I claim that DL as "my DL", this puts me, a man into their jurisdiction or presumptive commerce.

The name, I use is a citizen of the US, it is a person, estate, trust, whoever, ens legis, organization, taxpayer, surety, all those "nouns" that are part of their system.

I do not agree there are 3 parties as you named. There are 3 parties or more, and on any claim made against that Name, these parties MUST be named as co-defendants. The US, as beneficial holder under UCC 8-303, the state that holds original title, as owner of that title and take your pick - Governor of the state where the entity resides, SOS, etc. All of these "fictions" are trustees of public property or their Name. But I do not see how the man holds any liability on that Property since everything he does in that Name, the US and all of its subsidiaries benefits. And the one who benefits is subject to the liabilities. US v Pewee Coal Co 1951.

The only time you volunteer is through your consent. Without consent, they be screwed.

http://www.weissparis.com/july4.html

In my opinion, there are at least 3 parties to this Registered Organization. The man, the entity on the birth certifcate called the "person" (legal name), and fedgov. There may even be an outside investor, or stockholders.

So is the BC the issue? Or the fact you voluntarily used it to become a federal personnel and operate a STATE agency in INTERSTATE COMMERCE within "this state"? And volunteered to be treated as a taxpayer? So how do you come out of this beast, its name, and the number of its name?

[salsero]

Thank you for bringing this point out. Here is the solution and we have Boris to thank for this information - as I am not bright enough to figure it out. But boy I am sure getting it little by little.

Get a certified copy of the BC from the State of creation. Once you have this in place. Take the BC and mail it to the SOS of the state where it was created and have it "authenticated" NOT apostilled. Each state is different so check how do this for the state of the BC. Once authenticated, there is a statement to the effect - "it is hereby certified that Joe Blow was clerk of ...... and that full faith and credit may and ought to be given to said clerk's official acts."

Once you get this back from the state, go ahead and send this up to federal SOS for authentication. You do this here. http://travel.state.gov/content/trav...uirements.html

This document comes back with "I certify that the document hereunto annexed is under the Seal of the State of XX and that such Seal is entitled to full faith and credit" signed and sealed Big Kahuna.

What are the key words here? "full faith and credit"

I have tingles just thinking about Nancy, Harry and Barry providing the Name I use with the full faith and credit of all that power they hold near and dear to their hearts. All that power amounts to nothing more than debits and credits on worthless paper. Yet We, the People believe it has value. And that is all that matters. Do you see?

Boris has offered an audio of a lady that brought up the "full faith and credit of the US" at "her" bankruptcy hearing and guess what? Bye Bye debt, as in the trustees took care of the debt for the name - NOT her debt. See? This is how it is supposed to work. See Lieber Code #38 YAY!!!

This report about BC fraud has some gems.

https://oig.hhs.gov/oei/reports/oei-07-99-00570.pdf

"A certified copy of a birth certificate is proof only that a birth occurred and was recorded."

one of my favorites
"Most staff also indicate that many prosecutors are reluctant, or refuse to take
birth certificate fraud cases "

Why? Because the cat would be let out of the bag.

[salsero]

Before you do any revocation - think carefully before you act. Early on one of Ken's audios he mentioned remorse on this action but went forward since it was already done.

I agree with points 1 and 2 completely. I do not see point 3 as necessary; however, "some form of public notice is required" to rebut any presumption. I do not agree with point 4. Point 5, how does a judge provide a declaratory judgment for a man and how can one be a private citizen? the very nature of the word citizen is public. How does "one not do commerce"?

I am glad this is working out for Ken in traveling. How does he go to the restaurant, store, or do any commerce, etc?

I've been doing some research on the BC, and recommend the following interviews with KW about his first hand experience and knowledge dealing with the BC in Kentucky. These are long but worth it for those exploring this topic.

http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TC-39904/TS-811207.mp3

http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TC-39904/TS-811209.mp3

http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TC-89643/TS-852169.mp3

Quick Summary of first mp3:
[This is the youtube video he mentions where judges/lawyers discuss UCC Revised Article 9 and reveal the Registered Organization/Trade Name/Birth Certificate term and please realize all of the entities discussed are statutory definitions of person, including people when litigating bankruptcies, which all persons, including people can file with the SOS.] http://youtu.be/EQM6rjkVjtU?t=41m12s

Ken's interesting points:
- Birth Certificate (BC) is an entity, a Registered Organization, a STATE agency. It is not yours, its their property.
- BC is registered where all other organizations are registered in your state, the Secretary of State (SOS)
- Ken sent the SOS a Revocation of Agency Letter resigning his "Agency", thus removing "legal name" from service of process.
- Ken went for Declaratory Judgment and told a Judge that he knows about the 2 capacities of his name, and wants to know the rights and duties of the other capacity.
- He got a Declaratory Judgment that he is now not in commerce, but a private citizen
- He then went to Kentucky DMV and said he wanted to fill out the app for a Driver License for a private man not in commerce and showed them the Declaratory Judgment. They told him there was no license for that and to go see the DOT. She admitted his BC was a Registered Organization, a STATE Agency
- Now he tells the cops, he is not in commerce, no agency, a private man, and shows his Declaratory Judgment, and they would commit a felony to kidnap him and carjack his auto. They leave him alone.

[Casper]

Good comments, much appreciated.

The name my parents gave me was registered by the STATE at my parents application. So my name was turned in to a legal name for the STATE, and I believe its their property. I have lived 4 decades of my life without knowledge of that. I answered for that name, acted as agent and created joinder, without knowing what I was doing. I do believe, now, I have the option not to use it.

What I meant by dormant, was that the BC itself is just a public record. I activated it 16 years later getting a SS# and a license under that legal name, using it in interstate commerce, filing returns etc. If some other parties invest in it, and trade it, I have no knowledge of that and have seen no proof. Just theory. But it does make sense.

Have you first hand experience yourself with the BC? I would like to hear it.

Here is mine. After listening to KW, I went to the SOS of my state this year on other business, and before I left, requested someone answer a question regarding a BC. The lady asked me was it a certain organization? I replied that it was an instrument given to me by my parents. She said she would get an attorney. I waited 20 minutes, and she came back and sat down with the attorney and took notes. The man was around 50 years old and stiff as a board. I showed him the BC and asked who is this person, and asked if this instrument was registered here? He looked stupified, paused and asked "What, the Hospital? Or the Registrar office?". I pointed and stated, the name, the legal name, is it registered here and if so, how can I resign the agency of that name. He acted confused and asked, "Have you contacted the Registrar Office?" and then said "You would be better off talking to the Registrar office at the City Health Department." Then he arose out of his chair and slowly walked out without saying another word. He would not answer about the resignation of agency. The woman looked at me and I looked at her. I said, OK, that was interesting, and walked out.

I found the gov code in my state for resignation of agency KW mentions. Howard Griswold also has been teaching to resign the agency for 30 years. So even if you get a ticket or get sued, there is no agent for service of process. They are stating that you are acting as the registered agent for service of process for the legal name entity, until you resign.

KW said he was harassed while using his car without tags and license until he resigned the agency, then he had no further issues. He lives his life in the private venue without use of the legal name and its benefits. He uses cash and money orders similar to others on this site. He explains how he lives in his mp3s.

[Casper]

KW's remorse on resigning the agency was that he later learned he could file a UCC-1 lien on his house and car, and see if the other interested parties stepped forward. If not, he could act in the executor role to settle it up and own it outright. That was his remorse. He stated otherwise he is happy with his decision, but said it may not be good for everybody.

This is the link to KW's Resignation of Agency doc and his findings. It is a word doc called Greetings. I apologize I forgot to link it in the original post. He removed all of his personal info.

http://privateaudio.homestead.com/Greetings.doc

[salsero]

Good comments, much appreciated.

The name my parents gave me was registered by the STATE at my parents application. So my name was turned in to a legal name for the STATE, and I believe its their property.

You do not have to "believe" this - they actually tell you and you have EVIDENCE TO PROVE IT THAT THE NAME IS NOT YOURS. It is a fact that all property/titles have been sized under a national state of a declared emergency. You the man can not own nothing. Nothing means nothing. They own it all, receive all benefits, subject to all liabilities UNLESS you claim that property as yours.

What I meant by dormant, was that the BC itself is just a public record. I activated it 16 years later getting a SS# and a license under that legal name, using it in interstate commerce, filing returns etc. If some other parties invest in it, and trade it, I have no knowledge of that and have seen no proof. Just theory. But it does make sense.

You are correct. The reason why you have no knowledge what THEY do with that property is because it is not yours and therefore you have no legal say whatsoever. However, because THEY are so kind and generous, they will allow you to claim that Property [deceptively] in many cases from taxes to court to traffic tickets for the simple reason, THEY want to "legally take" $$ or SOMETHING YOU BELEIVE IS YOURS, from $$, to house, car, bank account, etc to SATISFY their own personal profit and gain at YOUR expense. And that is the law!!! YAY...

Have you first hand experience yourself with the BC? I would like to hear it.

This is my experience. I did the process of "full faith and credit", I also did 3 recorded public notices of release of claim and interest of the usufruct and reversionary interest. I sent the three recorded notices to 9 trustees and did not receive back any response. This is not unexpected from what others have stated. I am not leaving it there though. I am looking for the "offense" meaning the 12 USC 95a full acquittal and discharge in all matters relating to their property, including bills. There is plan B happening in a few weeks. I now have in my possession "full faith and credit" from authorized trustees of that property provided to me for MY exclusive use.

Here is mine. After listening to KW, I went to the SOS of my state this year on other business, and before I left, requested someone answer a question regarding a BC. The lady asked me was it a certain organization? I replied that it was an instrument given to me by my parents. She said she would get an attorney. I waited 20 minutes, and she came back and sat down with the attorney and took notes. The man was around 50 years old and stiff as a board. I showed him the BC and asked who is this person, and asked if this instrument was registered here? He looked stupified, paused and asked "What, the Hospital? Or the Registrar office?". I pointed and stated, the name, the legal name, is it registered here and if so, how can I resign the agency of that name. He acted confused and asked, "Have you contacted the Registrar Office?" and then said "You would be better off talking to the Registrar office at the City Health Department." Then he arose out of his chair and slowly walked out without saying another word. He would not answer about the resignation of agency. The woman looked at me and I looked at her. I said, OK, that was interesting, and walked out.

I found the gov code in my state for resignation of agency KW mentions. Howard Griswold also has been teaching to resign the agency for 30 years. So even if you get a ticket or get sued, there is no agent for service of process. They are stating that you are acting as the registered agent for service of process for the legal name entity, until you resign.

KW said he was harassed while using his car without tags and license until he resigned the agency, then he had no further issues. He lives his life in the private venue without use of the legal name and its benefits. He uses cash and money orders similar to others on this site. He explains how he lives in his mp3s.

First you must remember those government attorneys do not work for you. I am surprised he even bothered to talk to you but again, maybe he wanted to amuse himself and attempt to trick you. IMO, the only way to back them in a corner is to REQUIRE a response from them, under penalties of perjury with full commercial and personal liability. THEY simply can NOT do this.

As far as resigning as agent, I do not see this as necessary. Remember the registered agent is just that and not to be presumed as the liable party, unless he consents. The registered agent's job is to simply forward all claims or matters to the principal. I do not see an issue being labeled "registered agent" - in a nonsensical sort of way. So who is the principal? The title owner of the property who receives benefit.

As a peaceful inhabitant, the car registration issue in not "my main concern". I really do not care about the $50 yearly fee. If it keep the peace FOR NOW, then what the hell and I stated in the notice that I use the DL, etc in order to keep the public peace. If I, the man can not own anything and everything I do is FOR their benefit, per property notification, well there ain't much more to say. My main objective is to have them doing their oath bound duty and take care of their property that I have exclusive use of, called a name.

I have no option, I must do commerce.

[salsero]

http://www.chinatopix.com/articles/6872/20140815/divine-province-leader-james-mcbride-found-guilty-selling-fake-ids.htm

BTW, here's a doc showing the IDs:

http://www.nationalrepublicregistry.com/public/2013/NV/05.07.000001.pdf

Oh, and before the trial he received mail under his name, James McBride no inmate number needed, at the Alexandria Detention Center, 2001 Mill Road, Alexandria, VA 22314. My guess would be that address'd be good until the sentencing.

KW's remorse on resigning the agency was that he later learned he could file a UCC-1 lien on his house and car, and see if the other interested parties stepped forward. If not, he could act in the executor role to settle it up and own it outright. That was his remorse. He stated otherwise he is happy with his decision, but said it may not be good for everybody.

This is the link to KW's Resignation of Agency doc and his findings. It is a word doc called Greetings. I apologize I forgot to link it in the original post. He removed all of his personal info.
http://privateaudio.homestead.com/Greetings.doc

[walter]

Remember, if you want to be the executor, you are a person. If you are a person, you are under THEIR jurisdiction.

EXECUTOR'S go to jail.

[Casper]

I posted this for KW's first hand experience with BC in Kentucky. He stated he has a Declatory Judgment that he acts in a private venue, a letter from the SOS stating he is the acting Executor, he designated a trustee, he resigned from service of process, and changed the name he is known by. He is not only not in jail, they leave him alone. Not sure why you posted a fake ID, KW is going by the name of his new vessel, KW. He is not pretending to be a post office or a diplomat, just a man. I am quite sure he is that. Anyone can change their name under common law, as long as it is not used for fraud. KW could change his name to Paul Washington and start doing business as that vessel, as long as he established it in the community. No need to register it with the state or it becomes theirs. Everybody knows him as KW.

What he did not do is correct his status from a 14th Amendment citizen to a national (state Citizen) via a USA passport. Then send $50 to get an authentication from the US Dept of State. That will give you evidence from the highest authority that you are not a 14ther. That option is still there and I know of people that did that. That gets your domicile out of the District (fedzone), so you are not subject to their 100% dictum. Then you can get a bank account without a SS# as a foreign national (without the US). If you wanted an "operator license" (DL) to do interstate commerce, you could get the license as a non-resident alien. So you are doing commerce in an appropriate capacity. That is my path. I just linked KW as he has quite a bit of knowledge to share, from his study of the code, to interaction with Kentucky and the DMV. This is all very interesting stuff to me.

Thanks for the input. I try to get first hand experience for myself, but I value others first hand experience as well.

KW's approach is a little different than mine. I do not want the 14ther tag. From my research, that is my approach. We may achieve similar results.

[Casper]

A comment on identification, I know of a church that issues identification, driver license and passports. The couple who founded the church were against property taxes and such, and ended up being raided by 25 armed feds who took their computers and claimed they coud not issue identification. When they tried to prosecute, it was brought to a screeching halt because of separation of church and state. The feds had no authority over the church jurisdiction. Turns out they did not check to see that this church was not a 501(c)(3) church. No nexus to the state. That was in 1997 I believe, and they still issue church identification. I know of a man who opened a bank account without a SS# with the church driver license. I know of a man who entered and returned from Mexico with the church passport. Different ways to skin a cat, indeed.

I have church ID (DL and passport in True Name) and also have a common law photo ID, that I made and had notarized. I carry it daily. I have used it for various purposes, including ID at a bank. I have one with True Name (daily carry) and one with Legal Name (when needed).

[Casper]

Salsero, regarding auto registration, you may have an interest to read the pdf linked here: http://privateaudio.homestead.com/It...bout_Venue.pdf

Look on page 7 of that pdf, regarding his first hand experience with auto registration. He stated he has tested his theory for several years, and when pulled over 4 times, he never received a ticket and just let go.

When I received my renewal notice, it is a one page instrument. However there are 2 stickers, an IN the car windshield sticker, and an OUT of the car plate sticker that says "VOID". Both stickers have the same tracking number printed on them.

The verbiage on the instrument states the following:

** IMPORTANT NOTICE **
You only need one registration sticker on your vehicle
You will use either the windshield sticker or the plate sticker
Do not apply the sticker printed with "VOID", it is not a valid sticker
It may have already been removed from your receipt.

So you have a choice of which sticker to use. Now, on the opposite side, it states "Important document: Please retain for your records. THIS RECEIPT TO BE CARRIED IN ALL COMMERCIAL VEHICLES.

I do not carry the receipt (sticker) IN the vehicle, as I am not "for hire" commercial. So the theory is you are given 2 stickers (receipts), IN and OUT of the vehicle. IN is for commercial vehicles in "this state", OUT is for the private venue, not "valid" for use in "this state". The VOID sticker on the plate makes the plate VOID for commercial use in "this state". That could be why the cop let him go the 4 times he was pulled over. That could be the remedy. The cop clearly sees that you paid the fee, and clearly sees you are not in "for hire" commerce in "this state".

From my experience, when I called the agency who issues the plates, and discussed canceling and sending back, they said when you return them, be sure to write VOID across the plates, so it will be known they are not in use. So I removed the IN the car sticker, and attached the OUT of the car sticker. Its been a couple months and I have not been pulled over yet.

[salsero]

Bingo - you are a surety, executors are liable to account thereof of all the estate's assets.

EXECUTOR'S go to jail.

[salsero]

Casper - it is not about picking on you - however, logically speaking. How does a SOS provide a letter to a man stating KW is acting as an executor and trustee and that he no longer liable for process of service. The SOS can only communicate with persons not men. The mere fact those titles are the registered agent for the estate or trust. Now again, I am speaking logically.

Man is not "vessel", man only is man. He can not be anything but an image created by God or I am that I am, or comes from the pre-existant father, a son in the pre-existent One. A vessel is a thing under the jurisdiction of the US. ALL property is vested in the state, where "men" or persons [take you choice] are mere users for the BENEFIT of the state.

I have no issue with the American National status, if you need a passport to use. I was thinking of doing this myself. But this Is off topic. You are presumed to be a 14th A citizen. THey are allowed to presume that by law. Your only job is to rebut that presumption. They can not force you to be a citizen.

I am always open to be corrected; however, with this new "vessel", I am not feelin the bank would be opening a bank account without a SSN. First of all, all bank accounts are the property of the government. At any time, FRNs can BE confiscated for national security reasons, as Barry has a pen and a phone. We can look to Cyprus for recent confirmation.

It looks like you are on a path and I wish you the best.

I am interested in obtaining more info on the "American national" passport. I never really looked into that. If you care to provide the details as what is required, this would be good. thanks

I posted this for KW's first hand experience with BC in Kentucky. He stated he has a Declatory Judgment that he acts in a private venue, a letter from the SOS stating he is the acting Executor, he designated a trustee, he resigned from service of process, and changed the name he is known by. He is not only not in jail, they leave him alone. Not sure why you posted a fake ID, KW is going by the name of his new vessel, KW. He is not pretending to be a post office or a diplomat, just a man. I am quite sure he is that. Anyone can change their name under common law, as long as it is not used for fraud. KW could change his name to Paul Washington and start doing business as that vessel, as long as he established it in the community. No need to register it with the state or it becomes theirs. Everybody knows him as KW.

What he did not do is correct his status from a 14th Amendment citizen to a national (state Citizen) via a USA passport. Then send $50 to get an authentication from the US Dept of State. That will give you evidence from the highest authority that you are not a 14ther. That option is still there and I know of people that did that. That gets your domicile out of the District (fedzone), so you are not subject to their 100% dictum. Then you can get a bank account without a SS# as a foreign national (without the US). If you wanted an "operator license" (DL) to do interstate commerce, you could get the license as a non-resident alien. So you are doing commerce in an appropriate capacity. That is my path. I just linked KW as he has quite a bit of knowledge to share, from his study of the code, to interaction with Kentucky and the DMV. This is all very interesting stuff to me.

Thanks for the input. I try to get first hand experience for myself, but I value others first hand experience as well.

KW's approach is a little different than mine. I do not want the 14ther tag. From my research, that is my approach. We may achieve similar results.

[salsero]

I would much rather let the trustee handle the matter and take care of their public property that I use. Man has been left spoliated and naked and HAS NO MEANS to pay any claims, all under a declared national state of emergency by a foreign military occupation for the purpose of keeping the government/military operating and maintaining public peace.

We are not there yet. But I sincerely sense it is soon. The issue at hand is having THEM honor THEIR law and providing discharge for all claims made against their property

And one final thought - when you play in their sandbox, remember it is their box and their sand. They are always correct, always. Dean Clifford recently found out even if he knows their laws, the law is they can change those laws at any time for the good of the public. And I agree. IMO, and after much study, and minor first hand experience, I see this path as legally valid, simple and there has been success by others [that have $$ or court issues] where the issues disappeared. For you see, their legal system is nothing more than a scam, fraud, deception, and attempt for control and power of the masses of idiots. And amerika has many of those. And all this fraud, etc is FOR the ultimate end purpose of GOOD. And that is why I CAN come to peace with it.

Salsero, regarding auto registration, you may have an interest to read the pdf linked here: http://privateaudio.homestead.com/It...bout_Venue.pdf

Look on page 7 of that pdf, regarding his first hand experience with auto registration. He stated he has tested his theory for several years, and when pulled over 4 times, he never received a ticket and just let go.

When I received my renewal notice, it is a one page instrument. However there are 2 stickers, an IN the car windshield sticker, and an OUT of the car plate sticker that says "VOID". Both stickers have the same tracking number printed on them.

The verbiage on the instrument states the following:

** IMPORTANT NOTICE **
You only need one registration sticker on your vehicle
You will use either the windshield sticker or the plate sticker
Do not apply the sticker printed with "VOID", it is not a valid sticker
It may have already been removed from your receipt.

So you have a choice of which sticker to use. Now, on the opposite side, it states "Important document: Please retain for your records. THIS RECEIPT TO BE CARRIED IN ALL COMMERCIAL VEHICLES.

I do not carry the receipt (sticker) IN the vehicle, as I am not "for hire" commercial. So the theory is you are given 2 stickers (receipts), IN and OUT of the vehicle. IN is for commercial vehicles in "this state", OUT is for the private venue, not "valid" for use in "this state". The VOID sticker on the plate makes the plate VOID for commercial use in "this state". That could be why the cop let him go the 4 times he was pulled over. That could be the remedy. The cop clearly sees that you paid the fee, and clearly sees you are not in "for hire" commerce in "this state".

From my experience, when I called the agency who issues the plates, and discussed canceling and sending back, they said when you return them, be sure to write VOID across the plates, so it will be known they are not in use. So I removed the IN the car sticker, and attached the OUT of the car sticker. Its been a couple months and I have not been pulled over yet.