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[motla68]

So you might appreciate this... this goes back about 2 or 3 years ago. There was an office leasing company that changed management. The guy that ran things before he was savvy about taking tax credits (*ahem*) to pay the leases. However, they went under a management change or something and now... check this out. I went through all the ropes about renting an office, I told the new chic that I wanted to get a total in writing for the entire with their estimates of monthly fees/credits for additional services, damages, use of shared materials, etc--that I intended to prepay. She told me pretty much the following:



She said it had something to do with the "home office" or something from what I recall. The gist was that they preferred to have a credit card number to bill each month than to have all $8K or so for the year. Consider how security deposits are accounted for in a program like Quickbooks (Quickbooks actually obscures accounting principles for the 'average Joe'). Prepay means they are owing you. Postpay means you are owing them. Prepay means they have an asset in their hand that triggers a liability to you. Postpay maybe means vice-versa?

You cannot pay anything because it is already paid for, all you can do is exchange one for the other. The states convert your labor hours to debt entries so you can go exchange for credit entries.
You go exchange for goods and services the receipt is the credit, it is backed by substance.. think about it. A receipt then can becomes true lawful money and can be used in credit swapping.
Bankers and brokers call this a Credit Default swap, IRS also has a procedure called Notional Principal Contracts. Prepay then becomes a remarkable tool to learn new tricks with.

[David Merrill]

Yep. Like that signature of mine above. Lawful Money. If they were giving me credit then they would say, Hey! Give us your legal name! Do you expect us to trust some clown who signs his name Lawful Money?

Allodial;

I am following what you are saying but what is obvious to me is that they owe you an office space of your selection for the entire year ahead. Why that makes it difficult for them, that is a little less obvious to me.

[motla68]

But do you have an Oath of Office or Appointment of duty to take on the Office of Person? Taking on an office without the permission of the occupying Armed forces puts you in a position of Trustee De Son Tort Furthermore your violating biblical policy; Mark 12:14 " And when they were come, they say unto him, Master, we know that thou art true, and carest for no man: for thou regardest not the person of men, but teachest the way of God in truth:"

[David Merrill]

But do you have an Oath of Office or Appointment of duty to take on the Office of Person? Taking on an office without the permission of the occupying Armed forces puts you in a position of Trustee De Son Tort Furthermore your violating biblical policy; Mark 12:14 " And when they were come, they say unto him, Master, we know that thou art true, and carest for no man: for thou regardest not the person of men, but teachest the way of God in truth:"

That is probably why I made up a person.

[allodial]

.....Trustee De Son Tort....

Au contrare, as an Heir come-of-age the "trustee/executor de son tort" term is inapplicable. The occupying power and the attorney of the State would be in that position for meddling with my stuff. The occupying power gets its imperium from *ahem* somewhere--they don't just have magical, automatic, fairy-dust sprinkled military authority without having a source of such military authority (aka imperium). So, positively and encouragingly: your perspective might need some well-rounding. Furthermore, having a public hazard or fidelity bond in place is probably a more important consideration.

That is probably why I made up a person.

Thus the concept of "intermediary". One can use a "trust" or an "entity" with an EIN as an intermediary.

You cannot pay anything because it is already paid for....

Ever notice a lack of a solid definition of "pay" in the UCC or the like? What some folks do not get that in the current economic system, you CAN pay by authorizing debits, credits or setoffs...approving/doing the accounting. If you block the accounting and want to remove something from the public, its called stealing. Therefore one can "pay" in a sense of value transfer. Depends on what you/they mean by "pay". The term has a specific meaning in a specific context.

Also, when one provides labor to "the System" one is providing an asset which results in credit entry showing liability to the person providing the labor. A debit to an asset account increases it. Labor Co.'s receipt of an asset would be a debit to their asset account with a corresponding credit to the liability account to the worker. The payroll check would be Labor Co.'s evidence of liability to the worker. How the worker handles that payroll check might affect to the income tax issue.

[motla68]

31 USC 5103
" United States coins and currency (including Federal reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks) are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues. Foreign gold or silver coins are not legal tender for debts. "

31 USC 5119
" the redemption may be made only in gold bullion bearing the stamp of a United States mint or assay office in an amount equal at the time of redemption to the currency presented for redemption. "

Do you see the consecutive like minded rules here ? If it does not have a seal of the united states when exchanged it is not considered a payment on debt. So therefore there is only illusion that debts are being paid for when this should be telling you it don't matter where the ink and paper comes from as long as it bears that seal or the product and service that is licensed by that government or an associate government such as one of the several states.
The same goes for donations to help foreign people in other countries, I doubt you could just send money directly to a family in a foreign country and get a tax break on it, it has to go through a U,S. Corporation, foundation or association to be able to get that tax break.
It could be possible though i guess but you probably get audited later for it if your in the position of acting like a taxpayer filing, wanting a benefit.

Goes back to my explanation of a petty cash box per say in the Treasury of the United States. Accounting books must be balanced at the end of the day or quarter however the entity is setup.

[allodial]

3Goes back to my explanation of a petty cash box per say in the Treasury of the United States. Accounting books must be balanced at the end of the day or quarter however the entity is setup.

And inhibition or permission to do the accounting to balance can have value ("value exchange"). A check or draft is really just an order to do accounting: (A) pay/credit the account of A ... by... (B) charging/debiting the account of B.

[motla68]

And inhibition or permission to do the accounting to balance can have value ("value exchange"). A check or draft is really just an order to do accounting: (A) pay/credit the account of A ... by... (B) charging/debiting the account of B.

Is one bound to a seal without consent?

And where does value come from? From the eyes of the people, an a distinction between a monetary value or a equitable value, the receipts therefrom the same.
You can link all that back to the minds of man again, the state between ones ears.

[allodial]

Is one bound to a seal without consent?

And where does value come from? From the eyes of the people, an a distinction between a monetary value or a equitable value, the receipts therefrom the same.
You can link all that back to the minds of man again, the state between ones ears.

Circular arguments or wild goose chases .. exactly .. context matters. It depends on who you are dealing with it... who you are who "they" are. Your mailbox being empty of that magazine for more than 30 days might have a meaning different than if you were a subscriber. What is "the people"? What "people"? What is "people"? According to "whom"? Obviously context depends. And its obvious that primary being discussed are those who are interacting with a "system" or a "game" or a "forum" called "the United States". "Pay" and "value" are wide open to discussion, and study. A "dollar" in some regards might not be much much different than a "pound" or a "dozen" its a unit of measurement. "five pounds" ... "five dollars" (accounting tallies).. "five hen's teeth". Context matters. A "charge" has been defined as a given quantity of ..something. Liabilities are widely held to be "negative assets".

Re: seals and signatures in some contexts thin ice might separate ..if there is any separation.

[motla68]

Yes, all alleged probabilities. Did John Hancock sign the constitution? how would you know if you were not there to see it happen, it is alleged hearsay. Alleged, measurement, alleged accounting.

Equity maxim: " He who comes into equity must come with clean hands. " , a negative does not always admit of the simple and direct proof of which an affirmative is capable.
Equity maxim: " Where there is equal equity, the law shall prevail " If your going to bring it then it better be in equality, so that you earn respect in that courtroom. Let go of the credit/debit system.

[allodial]

Yes, all alleged probabilities. Did John Hancock sign the constitution? how would you know if you were not there to see it happen, it is alleged hearsay. Alleged, measurement, alleged accounting.

Equity maxim: " He who comes into equity must come with clean hands. " , a negative does not always admit of the simple and direct proof of which an affirmative is capable.
Equity maxim: " Where there is equal equity, the law shall prevail " If your going to bring it then it better be in equality, so that you earn respect in that courtroom. Let go of the credit/debit system.

There is such a thing called "preaching to the choir". People have bugged me because I dont have a last name or "State ID". So I've asked them questions about whether they knew when they were born and exactly where. If they could name who was there and describe their faces. Then I recount the many folks that I know that have multiple birth certificates or grew up only to find that they were "born" 3 years later or earlier than the birth certificate showed or the like. But they are willing to make sworn statements concerning what amounts to hearsay.

Not to mention this stunning question: "So, did they check George III's photo ID when he signed such and such a treaty?" Did "Queen Isabella of Spain have photo ID?" Did George III have a last name? Does UK's Queen Elizabeth have a last name? Isn't it puzzling that they expect State ID allegedly in enforcement of treaties and laws founded upon documents written by folks who didn't have photo ID or even whose existence we not be able to actually prove? What is even more interesting however, is bringing someone to realize that:

[1] "they" tell you all kinds of things ***** WITHOUT**** providing you a single affidavit [from lawyers to doctors to politicians to 'preachers'] {However perhaps we ought not discount their oaths of office, employment applications (often oath of office can be on a govt. job application itself, bar cards, degrees, tax forms, etc.}
[2] for most EVERYTHING they expect an affidavit or certificate under penalties of perjury or a sworn statement or declaration with penalties for making a false declaration.

Now why is it a school teacher can tell you that the sky was painted blue by Ook Mook the Polar Sky King without a sworn statement and you are "supposed" to believe it but ... yet a sworn statement is expected from you just to get a State-issued potato peeler?

When you go to the attorney, how about having him swear out his competence concerning a matter? But see, that is maybe why there is such a thing as insurance. How about this for fairness: [1] You get a flaky, so-so insurance policy to safeguard you from injuries sustained by you for relying on unfounded or questionable statements or on outright lies; [2] they get a sworn statement and a hook in your arse to throw you in prison if you lie? They are willing to give you tree shavings if they screw up but they want your body if you do? Want to sign up for that plan?