Citizenship defined lost in translation.

[motla68]

Great Info Matla

So if the birth cert is not to used as Identification, does that mean a drivers license is not a valid form of Identification. How does one establish identification. I guess it would be the same as it has always been. What you claim. Frederick Burrell

There is a couple of schools of thought on all that, we are working on it to prove it out one way or another, I hate to even go into the details about them schools of thought because we have no proof yet so we continue on with some next steps.

- I hear rumors that a couple of guys in different parts of the country walked into a DMV office and explained their position, in the end got a DL without signing or paying.
That is one of the next things on the agenda this will prove out. The one I have now needs a mailing location corrected, so will see what I can do with it.
Also the one in my possession I first got back in 1985 when they were still allowing religious objections for not giving a SSN, about 3 years ago I went in there to
ask some questions, one I asked was the number they put in, they would not give it to me even though I had the instrument referencing their computer entry,
I asked if it ended in a certain last 4 numbers that I knew was the SSN and he said no it does not, so whatever they have in there who knows.

The creator gave man earth as a gift to take care of (stewardship) and these corporations and government have taken resources away from that gift to do what they
do, so therefore we demand consideration, that consideration is the recycling of credit in their system, this is the indemnification mentioned a few times as realted
to Coresource education. One man who wishes to remain anonymous shared with me a letter that I seen with my own eyes that said basically and not specific that
they were thankful that the user returned the the credit so that someone else could also use it for their education. This man used Coresource Solution education
material to settle the amount owed.

Will keep you all up to date on that progress of course.

[Chex]

You probably see this video

[Frederick Burrell]

"A man cannot serve two masters"

The flesh =man

two masters

One the indwelling spirit, the christ within

two the ego, mind that usurpted the place of spirit.

which one rules you house, or is it divided.

Just my interpretation of your quote. I find I like it better than the implied one as it does not create a controversy with TPTB.

[Frederick Burrell]

Why not just remove your self from the body politic by renouncing your US citizenship and claim national status. Its not a lengthy process. Many are doing it to avoid income taxes when they move out of the country. Correct your error of using the birth cert for purposes it wasn't intended for. There has been a mistake. fB

[Chex]

Why not just remove your self from the body politic by renouncing your US citizenship? The Irs Code states

The Treasury Department (issuer of debt notes) and IRS (enforcement of debt notes) have authority to issue regulations under IRC ? 877A that your worldwide property has been sold for its fair market value on the day before the expatriation or residency termination.

Who gave them authority over your property is 1 unanswered question? I like persons names with faces.
2nd who gave anyone authority over you? Pessimism.

Irs tries their self-made remedy for that, that corporation does not make law.

Jurisdiction over citizenship via birth within the several States was simply an exercise of a States "numerous and indefinite" powers.

Early acts of Naturalization recognized the individual State Legislatures as the only authority who could make anyone a citizen of a State.

Framer James Wilson said, "a citizen of the United States is he, who is a citizen of at least some one state in the Union."

These citizens of each State were united together through Article IV, Sec. II of the U.S. Constitution, and thus, no act of Congress was required to make citizens of the individual States citizens of the United States.

Read more here

[shikamaru]

Who gave them authority over your property is 1 unanswered question? I like persons names with faces.
2nd who gave anyone authority over you? Pessimism.

Irs tries their self-made remedy for that, that corporation does not make law.

Jurisdiction over citizenship via birth within the several States was simply an exercise of a States "numerous and indefinite" powers.

Early acts of Naturalization recognized the individual State Legislatures as the only authority who could make anyone a citizen of a State.

Framer James Wilson said, "a citizen of the United States is he, who is a citizen of at least some one state in the Union."

These citizens of each State were united together through Article IV, Sec. II of the U.S. Constitution, and thus, no act of Congress was required to make citizens of the individual States citizens of the United States.

Read more here

This has changed due to:

a) the Civil War
b) 14th Amendment

Prior to the Civil War what you stated above was the case.

A night and day difference between Scott v. Sandford (1856) and the Slaugher-House cases (1873).

[allodial]

Place (public) of birth -> locus celebrationis. Intrinsic allegiance of a "creature of State"? If you are "First Middle Last" you might be a creature of a State. Consider the following:

It is irrefutably impossible for I, ....., to have become by birth subject to the State of ....

[outlierquest]

I posted this in another thread, but it fits in nicely here as well. Anyone with a Social Security Card is considered "Federal Personnel":

5 USC ? 552a - Records maintained on individuals
(a) Definitions.


(13) the term ?Federal personnel? means officers and employees of the Government of the United States, members of the uniformed services (including members of the Reserve Components), individuals entitled to receive immediate or deferred retirement benefits under any retirement program of the Government of the United States (including survivor benefits).