Cop Executes Teenage Boy According to Witnesses

[Casper]

[Casper]

Another question: how is it that unarmed African-American men are being gunned down (5 and counting for the month of August in these United States) by law enforcement, yet a serial shooter/killer (Colorado) is escorted out to a police car?

How did Officer Wilson know that Brown was unarmed? Officer Wilson may not have known Brown just committed a felony. But Brown knew he did. Brown assaulted Wilson and Wilson suffered massive facial injury, most would have been knocked unconscious. That was a felony. Brown also attempted to take Wilsons weapon. That is a felony. Brown also committed a strong armed robbery 10 minutes prior to this contact. That is a felony. I count at least 3 felonies against Brown.

If the reported facts are true, do you still support Brown's actions? Do you deny Wilson a right to defend himself? What does the color of ones skin have to do with these reported facts?

[shikamaru]

If the reported facts are true, do you still support Brown's actions?

Let the data lay where it may in trial.

Do you deny Wilson a right to defend himself?

At least he's alive to defend himself in trial. Same can't be said for others.

What does the color of ones skin have to do with these reported facts?

Racial bias is often a factor in the likelihood of an officer using deadly force especially against those of dark skin.

From the article you won't click:

According to stats compiled by the U.S. Department of Justice, an unarmed African American died at the hands of an armed White police officer at the rate of nearly two per week from 2005 to 2012. Over that 8-year-period, 400 police killings were reported per year. White officers killed a Black person, on average, 96 times per year.

Of those, 18 percent of the African Americans killed were under the age of 21, compared to 8.7 percent of Whites.

I take it all of them deserved to be gunned down?

[Casper]

Do you think Wilson should stop and consider racial bias while Brown assaulted him and bashed his face? And then later when Brown bum rushed him? Is that what a "good" white cop should do when being assaulted by a black assailant? Or do you think that maybe his police training kicked in and he followed it by the book? If Brown were white, what do you think would be different?

[Casper]

Let the data lay where it may in trial.

Thats my point. Why is the black community convicting the white cop in the media? Even when the evidence is mounting that Brown committed 3 felonies? Why not wait and let the investigation take place and the evidence come out? Why do they threaten peace unless they get their way now?

[shikamaru]

Thats my point. Why is the black community convicting the white cop in the media? Even when the evidence is mounting that Brown committed 3 felonies? Why not wait and let the investigation take place and the evidence come out? Why do they threaten peace unless they get their way now?

For those who historically have had little to no trust in the system, why put faith in it now?

Police shooting un-armed African-American males isn't raising the faith.

Historically, most officers get off for such deadly shootings as well.

[shikamaru]

Do you think Wilson should stop and consider racial bias while Brown assaulted him and bashed his face? And then later when Brown bum rushed him? Is that what a "good" white cop should do when being assaulted by a black assailant? Or do you think that maybe his police training kicked in and he followed it by the book? If Brown were white, what do you think would be different?

If he were Caucasian, he wouldn't have been shot six times to death in all likelihood. I just provided you an article that police officers are less likely to use deadly force or shoot even armed Caucasians.

It has yet to be determined if Brown assaulted him. We'll see what turns up at trial.
I'll title the aforementioned the police narrative. It seems you've already decided its a foregone conclusion.

[Casper]

You are entitled to your opinion, I respect that. But if Brown were white, under the same circumstances, he would be shot dead as well. Officers are trained to go home at night, so if one assaults them, it is by ones own actions the results will follow. No matter the color of ones skin.

If Brown paid for his cigars and stayed out of the middle of the street, he would still be alive today. One will reap what they sow.

[shikamaru]

You are entitled to your opinion, I respect that. But if Brown were white, under the same circumstances, he would be shot dead as well. Officers are trained to go home at night, so if one assaults them, it is by ones own actions the results will follow. No matter the color of ones skin.

If Brown paid for his cigars and stayed out of the middle of the street, he would still be alive today. One will reap what they sow.

I'll strongly disagree with you on the first paragraph.
Police are hardly fair or even in how they dish out.
I'll stick with my experience of them as truth.

Neither being in the middle of the street nor stealing cigars is an executable offense.

[Casper]

Neither being in the middle of the street nor stealing cigars is an executable offense.

I agree with you on that, but he was shot because he assaulted a police officer reulting in a serious bodily injury, went for his gun, and then bum rushed him. That was the reason he was shot. He was not "executed".

[allodial]

How did Officer Wilson know that Brown was unarmed? Officer Wilson may not have known Brown just committed a felony. But Brown knew he did. Brown assaulted Wilson and Wilson suffered massive facial injury, most would have been knocked unconscious. That was a felony. Brown also attempted to take Wilsons weapon. That is a felony. Brown also committed a strong armed robbery 10 minutes prior to this contact. That is a felony. I count at least 3 felonies against Brown.

If the reported facts are true, do you still support Brown's actions? Do you deny Wilson a right to defend himself? What does the color of ones skin have to do with these reported facts?

Only the the "cop" is claiming he was injured. Other witnesses aren't saying so. Re: self-defense. The "cop" attempting to run someone over is a felony that put him out of police officer mode opening the doors to those who were assaulted by automobile to defend themselves. In traffic classes taught to police it is taught that if someone fails to stop and surges at you with their car they are fair game for getting capped. Thusly, a cop attempting running someone over for being in the street puts holder of that office out of uniform and fully ultra vires without immunity as a defense. Stealing cigars isn't a felony in Mo. afaik. Misdemeanor petty theft. It is already on the record that the police were not called by the storekeeper but by someone else either viewing the camera or someone in the store. Afaik shoving someone isn't felony assault in Mo. All in all, was made clear early on that Wilson did not know BROWN was any robbery suspect.

Video footage was taken by the police--they collected phones/cameras which sources say have not been returned. Why not show any of the videos?

[shikamaru]

Video footage was taken by the police--they collected phones/cameras which sources say have not been returned. Why not show any of the videos?

This is called 'covering thy A$$ETS".....

[Casper]

Only the the "cop" is claiming he was injured. Other witnesses aren't saying so.

Did you read the reports? Since last weekend, there were 12 witnesses that corroborated Wilsons testimony. There may be more now.

[allodial]

Did you read the reports? Since last weekend, there were 12 witnesses that corroborated Wilsons testimony. There may be more now.

Hmm how convenient "12" witnesses. In St. Louis County they might procure witnesses by way of "12 crack addicts" or felons on probation who'll say anything they'll tell them (for crack, etc.). So no surprise. Also, pulling someone through the window after attempting to hit them with a car puts Darren Wilson far out of office of police officer. The uniform doesn't exempt him from being injured or otherwise at that point. Once the person holding the office goes ultra vires, the uniform is a mere disguise.

For any cop to pull someone in through the window of the patrol car is a dangerous thing because the cop is in a prone position--and not only that the cop is inviting use of force against or by him due to a very assinine move on his own part. Darren Wilson may just as well have pushed the kid's hand into his firearm then said "Hep me hep me he'is takin my gun. Lawdy. Now I must defend myself." Pulling someone in through a patrol car is a way to convenienlty justify a murder under the guise of self defense--the caveat being the 'cop' endangering himself at the expense of the person he caps.

So imagine you are working as a cop, you just attempted to run someone over, you then bash them with your car door, you then pull them in through the car window where your shotgun is between the seat, maybe a loose pistol is in there, you seem like a crazy maniac nutcase oh but the victim isn't supposed to react right? You pull him in on top of you he cannot help but have his hands near you and your gun oh but in your 'brainy head' you think "oh he is dangerous to me...i must defend myself even with deadly force". But yet what about what you are doing and have just done? Uniform + ultra vires = uniform is disguise + person in uniform is out of office to the extent they are ultra vires.

Uniform + ultra vires = uniform is disguise + person in uniform is out of office to the extent they are ultra vires.

When a 'cop' pulls someone in closer to him exposing him to his gun after attempting to run that someone over--where is the policy or procedure that supports any such thing? Is a cop supposed to attempt murder or assault with a deadly weapon (running someone over) and then not expect self-defense? AFAIK, the cop is not supposed to pull someone in through the window of the patrol car where the cop is prone to make the weapons more accessible. The reports are that Darren Wilson created the danger that he supposedly needed to "save" himself from.

The cop is supposed to GET OUT OF THE CAR make sure a 'suspect' is in a prone position, HANDCUFF the suspect if necessary BEFORE suspect would be inserted into patrol car. In sum, Darren Wilson's own negligence and ultra vires violence should carry a lot of weight against him because he was presumably not only trained and told to do differently but swore to do so. A cop is trained to be ever aware of the vulnerability or accessibility of his weapons. From reports, Darren Wilson invited himself, the general public and Michael BROWN into danger and failed to follow protocol and laws. Hollywood movies aren't the place to look to for reference, its POST training full training. The cop is guardian of State/City/U.S. property--the patrol car, etc. Darren Wilson reportedly open up a big can of fail. He is the one to be held to a high standard not the kid.

[Casper]

Hmm how convenient "12" witnesses. In St. Louis County they might procure witnesses by way of "12 crack addicts" or felons on probation who'll say anything they'll tell them (for crack, etc.).

Actually, the "running over us" and "pulling through the window" story you told above came from Dorian Johnson. He has a warrant for his arrest for theft from 2011, and was an accomplice to Brown in the strong arm robbery, in possession of stolen property, and he fled the scene where one of the perpetrators died, so that is a felony. They both had the cigars when the cop pulls up. Dorian later admitted to the cops of their robbery. Dorian also changed his version of the story and gives conflicting information. All have been proven false by the autopsy, other eyewitness reports, the cops testimony, and the hospital record. Why would you believe him?

If you think a cop sitting in his truck could pull a 6'4 300 lb man through a window with his left arm, you believe in fantasy. Brown could easily pull away. And it appears Brown had no intention of following any orders of Wilson, whether it was to get out of the midlle of the street, or to freeze. He knew he had just committed a crime. That refusal to obey the officer's order was his demise.

Did you see the "snitches get stitches" painted on the store? A lot of folks are afraid to talk. The store owner was so scared he did not want to get involved, and said he knows what will happen to him if he does.

So ease up on criticizing the 12 witnesses until you hear their side of the story. They may be going against the grain of the neighborhood to get the truth out. The truth is what we are after, not mob justice or vigilante justice.