The problem might be that the Neo-Gnostics, Satanists and atheists have been given too much leeway. Even "White Supremacy" is a carnalistic trap for unwary souls--looking for salvation in a corruptible robe of flesh makes how much sense? Anytime someone is selling "trust me" on the basis of looking like you, I'd suggest against buying into that.
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"The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius"It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.
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You've just contradicted yourself.Originally posted by BLBereans View PostWhy would you be curious as to what "BLBereans'" reply will be?
Can anyone here prove it, with first hand knowledge and testimony, that one was privy to the development, sentiments and intentions behind 'The Declaration' and 'The Constitution'?
You initially stated "the People" were "... the collective man; male and female created He them."
Now, you are stating the above.
Which claim do you stand upon?Last edited by shikamaru; 03-29-15, 12:44 PM.
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The radical British liberal philosophies did not underpin the Declaration or the Articles. It seems such were more about undermining. It was radical British liberalism that promoted lifetime chatellization of "Blacks"--not the philosophies of those that signed the Declaration of Independence. To knowledge "white" and "freeborn" were synonymous. Most of the hardcore bitter racism seems to have come *after* 1862 when non-Christian (Neo-Gnostic) paradigms started taking America by the throat.
It might be worth considering the effects of Locke, Calvinism, etc. on Europe.Last edited by allodial; 03-29-15, 12:54 PM.All rights reserved. Without prejudice. No liability assumed. No value assured.
"The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius"It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.
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Perhaps you are being informed just how divided things actually are?Originally posted by BLBereans View PostSheriff Clarke has the confidence of the people even after the barrage of outside influence who sought to intentionally undermine and smear this man precisely because he is black and doesn't sing the same tune that the exploiters, masquerading as advocates, want him to sing. He cares not for Democrat or Republican; only for common sense and truth.
Apparently, the divisive rhetoric is more palatable for those who continue buying into the defeatist race-mongering mind-set.
Perhaps you are uncomfortable with the truth, thus the creation of this current narrative?
There never was any unity.
Ignoring racism doesn't make it go away. You just get "racism without racists".
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Talk about projection...Originally posted by shikamaru View PostGood to know. Your opinion and his hold just as much value to me in kind.
He serves alright... his master.... which is the municipality.
He serves "the prince" not the people.
You are aware there are a myriad of court cases where it states law enforcement has no burden, duty, or obligation to protect and serve any individual?
I believe you are blinded by your own prejudices and social programming.
Law enforcement is private, standing army of the municipality.
Pot calling kettle? You are projecting.
Rather than making ad-hominem attacks, maintain your attacks on my position.
Too may Caucasians are quick to play the "race-card" card rather than seeing the truth and reality of racism, prejudice, and its history in these United States. Denigration and ignoring the past with its present resultants won't fix the issues.
This federation was founded on racism. It was built on racism.
Its public corporate charters (constitutions), whether federal or State, were deeply impacted by racism.
It continues to thrive on racism.
Racism is a social AND economic system based on the contrived supremacy of one group over another.
It is also a subtle (and often times not so subtle) form of warfare. Slavery, itself, is a form of warfare and its continuation.
Think of racism as a silent weapon for a quiet war.
You need to see reality for what it is rather than the fairy tales you've come to believe from public schooling, social programming, and the media.
For once in this whole discussion, there is something we agree upon.
Funny you mention that, isn't that what white supremacy is all about? It seems a group of people have already done this.
I'll construe this as projection again.
When you are ready to continue your enlightenment, I'll be here for ya.
It seems you are sucked into what the media puts forth regarding how the majority of people relate to one another. In my opinion, the majority of people, of all races, are quiet, considerate and go about their business without the desire, or need, to shout 'RASCISM!!!" from the mountaintops. It makes for a shallow form of entertainment-news and the divisiveness it yields is intentionally generated and used by those who profit from people being divided. Yes, "african-americans" profit from the business of racism; they are the media-darlings and are portrayed as "leaders" in the black community. It is shameful and I believe most black people would agree; only those voices are rarely heard - it's bad "publicity".
"Intellectuals" like to teach "white guilt" and that nonsense permeates education, politics and social discourse. It stonewalls progress and creates animosity that might not otherwise be there.
Did you know there were black slave-owners in America? Yes, some did it to protect family but that was not the case most of the time. Slavery is about power and class, not race and "the federation" did not invent it.
If "enlightenment" equals buying into your skewed belief/agenda, I'll stick with "non-enlightenment"; thanks anyway.
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If you are going to quote me, at least get it right:Originally posted by shikamaru View PostYou've just contradicted yourself.
You initially stated "the People" were "... the collective man; male and female created He them."
Now, you are stating the above.
Which claim do you stand upon?
"People are the collective man; male and female created He them." is what I wrote.
"The People" is a proper noun; the people is a two-word phrase describing a group of living souls, specified by the original commenter; in this case Sheriff Clarke.
So, I ask again: Can anyone here prove it, with first hand knowledge and testimony, that one was privy to the development, sentiments and intentions behind 'The Declaration' and 'The Constitution'?
In other words, how do you know for 100% certain how 'people' was meant to be interpreted in those documents? Were you there? Do you know what was in their hearts and minds?
Manipulation and capitalization after the fact does not automatically imply or equate to original intent.
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Perhaps you prefer divisiveness because you feel some sort of superiority over "Caucasians".Originally posted by shikamaru View PostPerhaps you are being informed just how divided things actually are?
Perhaps you are uncomfortable with the truth, thus the creation of this current narrative?
There never was any unity.
Ignoring racism doesn't make it go away. You just get "racism without racists".
We can "perhaps" all day; what good is it?
The truth is we are all brothers and sisters and our Father in Heaven is our Creator.
The best model for how to combat iniquity was the life of Jesus The Christ. Unfortunately, many who proclaim His Name do the opposite. Obviously, we all fall short, but those of us who believe, desire to continue striving to walk as He did.
Lively debate and disagreements are fine as long as we understand that we must all treat each other as we would wish to be treated.
The OT relates to the comments of a man who has first-hand knowledge on these matters. I found his sentiments to be truthful and honorable without being beholden to politicians, "black leaders", government officials or the hype of the media. In my opinion, he comes off as someone who really cares for and believes in the inherent God-given rights of the people and that he swore and oath to protect their lives and their property from criminals, thugs and thieves, regardless of race.
Sorry if that offends you.
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You know you've contradicted yourself yet again with this post, yes?Originally posted by BLBereans View PostTalk about projection...
If you don't mean what you say, don't say it.
Racism is far more prevalent than you care to admit. It disturbs the narrative you've ego invested in.Originally posted by BLBereansIt seems you are sucked into what the media puts forth regarding how the majority of people relate to one another. In my opinion, the majority of people, of all races, are quiet, considerate and go about their business without the desire, or need, to shout 'RASCISM!!!" from the mountaintops.
While you may personally find racism and prejudice entertaining, it can mean life or death as well as whole host of other impact issues if you are African-American.Originally posted by BLBereansIt makes for a shallow form of entertainment-news and the divisiveness it yields is intentionally generated and used by those who profit from people being divided. Yes, "african-americans" profit from the business of racism; they are the media-darlings and are portrayed as "leaders" in the black community. It is shameful and I believe most black people would agree; only those voices are rarely heard - it's bad "publicity".
You are presuming there was some sort of unity. Let me repeat, there never has been any unity. Whatever unity you think you may haver perceived is contrived at best.
Could you produce for me in dollars and cents figures where African-Americans profit from the "business of racism"?
Does this profit compare with the profit of the several States, government of the United States, and European-Americans have profited from the "business of racism"?
Is this business incorporated?
Does this business produce revenue statements?
You are also presuming Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, et al speak for all African-Americans.
African-Americans are not a monolith.
Who is saying Caucasians need to feel guilty for anything?Originally posted by BLBereans"Intellectuals" like to teach "white guilt" and that nonsense permeates education, politics and social discourse. It stonewalls progress and creates animosity that might not otherwise be there.
Learn and study history in all its nightmarish glory.
The animosity has been pre-existing since before the creation of the several States. It takes animosity in part to create a system such as racism.
American slavery was deeply intertwined with race. To state otherwise is to state an absurdity.Originally posted by BLBereansDid you know there were black slave-owners in America? Yes, some did it to protect family but that was not the case most of the time. Slavery is about power and class, not race and "the federation" did not invent it.
http://realhistoryww.com/world_histo...of_Slavery.htm
American slavery was also unique in the complete destruction of the culture of those enslaved as well as one of the more brutal forms in history (chattel slavery). Documentation abounds with respect to the latter statement.
When you are ready to talk with me rather than at me, I'm here for you.Originally posted by BLBereansIf "enlightenment" equals buying into your skewed belief/agenda, I'll stick with "non-enlightenment"; thanks anyway.
This makes 2 for 2 you've contradicted your initially stated positions.Last edited by shikamaru; 03-29-15, 05:05 PM.
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Oh, now you are playing word salad games.Originally posted by BLBereans View PostIf you are going to quote me, at least get it right:
"People are the collective man; male and female created He them." is what I wrote.
"The People" is a proper noun; the people is a two-word phrase describing a group of living souls, specified by the original commenter; in this case Sheriff Clarke.
Now is this a self-created definition or one created by Sheriff Clarke? Again, I feel you are presuming to speak on someone else's behave minus the power of attorney.
Wouldn't this be a strawman argument? You've already tilted the question the way you desire with so many constraints, it is useless to answer.Originally posted by BLBereansSo, I ask again: Can anyone here prove it, with first hand knowledge and testimony, that one was privy to the development, sentiments and intentions behind 'The Declaration' and 'The Constitution'?
In other words, how do you know for 100% certain how 'people' was meant to be interpreted in those documents? Were you there? Do you know what was in their hearts and minds?
Manipulation and capitalization after the fact does not automatically imply or equate to original intent.
Got a time machine?
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I prefer truth and reality to faux unity that never existed.Originally posted by BLBereans View PostPerhaps you prefer divisiveness because you feel some sort of superiority over "Caucasians".
I have yet to see this in practice whether current or historical.Originally posted by BLBereansWe can "perhaps" all day; what good is it?
The truth is we are all brothers and sisters and our Father in Heaven is our Creator.
The best model for how to combat iniquity was the life of Jesus The Christ. Unfortunately, many who proclaim His Name do the opposite. Obviously, we all fall short, but those of us who believe, desire to continue striving to walk as He did.
In fact, the good book was used to justify slavery and racism. See the Ham myth.
To me, he comes off as almost completely and willfully ignorant of the history, plight, and current ongoings of African-Americans with regard to law enforcement.Originally posted by BLBereansLively debate and disagreements are fine as long as we understand that we must all treat each other as we would wish to be treated.
The OT relates to the comments of a man who has first-hand knowledge on these matters. I found his sentiments to be truthful and honorable without being beholden to politicians, "black leaders", government officials or the hype of the media. In my opinion, he comes off as someone who really cares for and believes in the inherent God-given rights of the people and that he swore and oath to protect their lives and their property from criminals, thugs and thieves, regardless of race.
Sorry if that offends you.
I place even less value in it since you've pulled this from Breitbart, a known propagandist of the conservative persuasion.
Ferguson, MO municipal court system and police department are being exposed for the corrupt pieces of garbage that they were.
They were running a petty fiefdom for profit and gain.
Sorry if that offends you.Last edited by shikamaru; 03-29-15, 05:15 PM.
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There is no contradiction except what you perceive; my stance is clear for anyone who who can read objectively.Originally posted by shikamaru View PostYou know you've contradicted yourself yet again with this post, yes?
If you don't mean what you say, don't say it.
Racism is far more prevalent than you care to admit. It disturbs the narrative you've ego invested in.
While you may personally find racism and prejudice entertaining, it can mean life or death as well as whole host of other impact issues if you are African-American.
You are presuming there was some sort of unity. Let me repeat, there never has been any unity. Whatever unity you think you may haver perceived is contrived at best.
Could you produce for me in dollars and cents figures where African-Americans profit from the "business of racism"?
Does this profit compare with the profit of the several States, government of the United States, and European-Americans have profited from the "business of racism"?
Is this business incorporated?
Does this business produce revenue statements?
You are also presuming Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, et al speak for all African-Americans.
African-Americans are not a monolith.
Who is saying Caucasians need to feel guilty for anything?
Learn and study history in all its nightmarish glory.
The animosity has been pre-existing since before the creation of the several States. It takes animosity in part to create a system such as racism.
When you are ready to talk with me rather than at me, I'm here for you.
This makes 2 for 2 you've contradicted your initially stated positions.
Your opinion on racism is not canon; go interview the 350,000,000+ people on this land and get back to me with the real data. Stating that there has NEVER been unity between white and black people is utter nonsense. Not everyone is as preoccupied with race as you are.
You continue to lodge your attacks upon my views with the very same tactics used by the mainstream media; I said that what passes as news is more akin to entertainment, not that racism and prejudice is entertaining. Why would you do something so obvious that most people here can see right through? It makes you look foolish and shallow.
Specific to the topic that Sheriff Clarke comments on; the "black leaders" brought to the forefront to fuel the fires after incidents like Ferguson, profit through exploitation of these incidents. I did not presume anything regarding Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, et al; those are the faces and voices first on the scene when said exploitation occurs. I don't see african-americans removing them and contradicting them when they presume to "speak" for african-americans during such incidences.
They do business under the names AL SHARPTON and JESSE JACKSON as well as others, RAINBOW COALITION, et al. Are these men providing a service or producing a product, other than RACE EXPLOITATION that I am not aware of? Where else does the "revenue" come from?
Leftist, "intellectuals" who have infiltrated the "higher learning" industry for the past several decades have been teaching the nonsense of "white guilt"; it seems to be working.
There is plenty of history to be read which does not coincide with your version of truth.
I prefer clarity over agreement.
BTW, your "scoreboard" isn't working; may want to get it fixed.
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You make my point. Many people who claim His Name do the opposite of what He preached and how He lived. That does not mean that the "good book" teaches such nonsense; selfish, power hungry and evil people interpret anything in a manner which fits their nefarious intents. Do you believe that everyone who reads The Bible buys into the "Ham myth'?Originally posted by shikamaru View PostI prefer truth and reality to faux unity that never existed.
I have yet to see this in practice whether current or historical.
In fact, the good book was used to justify slavery and racism. See the Ham myth.
To me, he comes off as almost completely and willfully ignorant of the history, plight, and current ongoings of African-Americans with regard to law enforcement.
I place even less value in it since you've pulled this from Breitbart, a known propagandist of the conservative persuasion.
Ferguson, MO municipal court system and police department are being exposed for the corrupt pieces of garbage that they were.
They were running a petty fiefdom for profit and gain.
Sorry if that offends you.
You impugn a man simply because he disagrees with your viewpoint. He doesn't agree with you so he is "willfully ignorant". I don't believe your view has been established as canon, unless I missed some special announcement. I would bet Sheriff Clarke would be more than capable of backing up his views with first-hand knowledge and a coherent grasp of his people's history. Why do you presume him ignorant of his own history; he seems like a very articulate man who speaks intelligently and eloquently while maintaining an honorable sense of ALL people's rights. The fact that you so harshly dismiss and belittle his views is more telling of you rather than him.
What exactly did I "pull" from "Breitbart"? You may want to direct your vitriol to the original poster for that. I simply linked a youtube video from the CSPOA (Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association), a NY Times article (a bastion of conservatism???) and wikipedia. Does one automatically become part of the "conservative persuasion" by claiming to be a Constitutional Sheriff and a Peace Officer? Now it is you who is being willfully ignorant.
Every municipal court system in America is running a business for profit and gain, where's the surprise?
You mean to tell us that there is corruption in government; what a news flash!!!
Do you think that maybe there is corruption among the so-called "exposers" of Ferguson as well?
Nah, the DoJ is completely run by upstanding, honest and righteous people... hello???
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Here is the full video/interview from a search on youtube; "Breitbart" has nothing to do with this video nor is Sheriff Clarke a mouthpiece for "Breitbart".
How anyone can listen to this man speak and find fault with his sentiments, motives or intents is beyond reason. He is not a "party-liner" of any kind and laughs at the ridiculous notion of some black people calling him out as the standard "Uncle Tom" figure.
He directly states he has the confidence and support of many black people in his community and nationwide. I guess he is either a liar or the rhetoric surrounding the matters he speaks of is misguided and intentionally misleading.
Again, I value this man's opinion and find honor in his actions. If we had more like him, the world would be in better shape.
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Death of the County or Lost At SeaOriginally posted by BLBereans View PostEvery municipal court system in America is running a business for profit and gain, where's the surprise?
David Merrill has given insight as to what happens when a county is swallowed up by municipalities--Five Burroughs of New York for example. My kurt explanation is along the lines that the residents (or the electorate) are presumed dead. Imagine the logic: how can the dead, die again?
Ever notice that police tend to wear blue or black and sheriffs tend to wear brown or reddish colors? The blue and black is a clue. Red and brown are associated with life, soil, land, blood.
Sheriffs Are Not Police
IMHO its worth noting that sheriffs aren't municipal officers (sheriffs are not "police") and instead tend to be county officers with the county being a subdivision of a state. Clarke as sheriff isn't a municipal policy enforcement officer. Sheriffs aren't "police" but are law enforcement officers, "shire keepers". From observation it has seemed that the municipalist don't like sheriffs and have gone out of the way to put sheriffs "in the corner" because they know what sheriffs stand for and can do. Sheriffs in many jurisdictions have tended AFAIK to be underfunded as a means for liberal, progressive legislatures to control or obstruct them. Where sheriffs are elected and mentioned in state constitutions, they are agents of the People.
Removing Shackles & Blinders
While many "Afro Americans" and others who feel jaded by the US system might have a hard time breaking with entrenched mental habits, the county sheriff can be a powerful ally in defense of rights. Those Ferguson Police are part of the "municipal" or "dead corporate" known as "City of Ferguson". Sheriffs are very much likely aware of this and tend to stay out the municipality mess (perhaps the view might be "its your business if you got yourself entangled in that"--if you chose to be part of a municipality). If you elect to be a municipality-ite, the sheriff will probably step back and presume your relationship with the municipality and the municipality's functions are "functional"--unless you make the contrary known. Consider also, for a home-rule city like St. Louis City, Mo. the Mayor is the go-to for certain things, but the sheriff (a county officer, as opposed to a municipal officer of the City of St. Louis) deals with county matters (the courts and management of the county jail).
AFAIK, sheriffs tend to presume inferior municipal officers are doing their jobs honestly. A sheriff is typically the principal conservator of the peace of a county. For a city, this might tend to be the mayor. A city tends to most always be "in" a county even if its an independent or homerule city--thusly the sheriff would have superior jurisdiction.
"Whites" and "Blacks" might do well to get wise about the powers of both sheriffs and notaries.
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"The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius"It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.
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