Israel and the Church

[Michael Joseph]

"All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit." - Thomas Paine

Amen. You got it. Spiritual Books in the hands of religious zealots is why we have war. For while many have a zeal for God they lack knowledge. Yes indeed that dog will hunt!

Rom_10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

Rom 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

Comment: Establishment of their own righteousness is called, you got it, RELIGION.


So what does our Creator want of us?

Left Hand - Charity or Love for others
Right Hand - Knowledge of God


Hos 6:6 For I desired charity, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

Isa 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.

Isa 1:12 When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?

Comment: Yet RELIGION worships with their hands THINKING themselves to be pleasing to God. They don't understand their own book!

Act 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

Act 17:25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

Comment: Yet RELIGION worships with their hands. Pray tell, where does God dwell. Well Jesus said the Kingdom of God is within me. That just can't be says the religionist. Come on down to our building, why we can put you into a Salvation Package for just ten percent down. And once you die, then we will deliver on the goods.

2Co_13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?


Comment: KNOWING THYSELF is the LAST thing religion teaches - that is eastern mythology. Think again.

1Co_3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

Comment: Well, what can I say. Hmmmm. That Salvation Package is starting to look like a SHAM!

1Co_6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

Comment: Gee, I am starting to get the point. What do I need religion for when I can begin to know myself and learn of the Kingdom of God within. REVELATION - I don't need religion at all! I am free!

Let the white dove return. May Medusa's head be cut off [carnal mind] and carnal thoughts [snakes] and let the White Horse come This Day - For My Mother said : To Day if you can hear His voice!

Shalom,
MJ

[Michael Joseph]

What's more important the Love Letter or the Love? When I was away I used to write my sweetheart with the hope and expectancy that we should have a face to face fulfillment of our love. Why does religion put the letter above the relationship?

I am Jacob, I am Moses: And so is every man and woman:

Gen_32:30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

Exo_33:11 And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.


Comment: Nevertheless men love their heroes. Why Moses was a Great Man - I could never be like Moses - HOGWASH - you are Moses - IF and ONLY IF - you have been drawn out of the waters of God's Truth. You ascend the Mountain wherein the Fire is atop the Mountain - and you are baptized in Fire by the Holy Spirit.

Apparently this woman never got the memo that God is unavailable until some futuristic return:

Son 1:2 Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth: for thy love is better than wine.

Son 1:6 Look not upon me, because I am black, because the sun hath looked upon me: my mother's children were angry with me; they made me the keeper of the vineyards; but mine own vineyard have I not kept.

Son 2:6 His left hand is under my head, and his right hand doth embrace me.

Son 2:7 I charge you, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, by the roes, and by the hinds of the field, that ye stir not up, nor awake my love, till he please.

Son 2:8 The voice of my beloved! behold, he cometh leaping upon the mountains, skipping upon the hills.

Comment: Abraham, Lot, Jesus all went up into the high Mountain. It is there that Christ is found in higher consciousness - the Upper Room a garden eastward in Eden. I suppose many think a face to face relationship is unobtainable. I wonder why? A rhetorical question, of course.

A knowing is required! And this is where religion binds most. This is where the ignorant hurl their darts. But lets just see what the Bible says shall we:

Hos 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

Comment: Gee, somewhere else Romans 7:14 we learned the LAW was physical....no it was literal....no that's not it.....oh yes, It is Spiritual! Ah yes, that's it. Honor thy Father and thy Mother.

Shalom,
MJ

[xparte]

Areus, king of the Spartans, to Onias, the high LEVI priest, greetings. It has been discovered in a document concerning the Spartans and Jews that they are brothers, and are of the race of Abraham" (I Maccabees 12:20-21) The first century Historian Flavius Josephus also records this letter in his writings. Four symbols are used in the Bible concerning the Danites; a serpent, an eagle, a lion, and the bees. In the story of Samson we find the famous riddle of the bees who made honey in the carcass of a lion which had been killed by Samson. The symbolic nature of the bees could represent the concept that the descendents of the tribe of Dan would one day try to bring about the destruction of the tribe of Judah, whose symbol was the lion. Of interest, throughout the centuries, the Merovingian (European) royalty have for centuries been tied to the symbol of bees.if this looks like a cut and paste i assure you its in the general nature of good taste .if Man When Moses gave his prophecies of the 12 tribes, he said that Benjamin would "dwell between the shoulders of Judah" (Deuteronomy 33:12), and that Dan, "as a lion's whelp, would leap from Bashan" (Deuteronomy 33:22). Bashan was located in ancient Lebanon. That Mosaic prediction came to pass when the tribe of Dan was deprived of its territory adjacent to Judah, moved north to Lebanon, and established its territory in Bashan. From there the Danites made a symbolic leap into obscurity (Europe; Germany? Denmark? Danube River? Irish Tuatha de Danann? Rome? Greece?).

In Judges 18 the tribe of Dan established an idolatrous religion - the worship of the sun and moon.Pagan Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel.All spiritual, intelligent, communicative, relational, moral and purposeful capacities, with a Synergy. , though all humans possess these godlike capacities, each of us has the potential to express them distinctively, because God's image has been imprinted uniquely on each of us. In God's infinite creativity there are no duplicates; you are the only you there has ever been or ever will be.
The Synergy.of Christ Moses Dylan or Fredrick Douglas Plato Neil deGrasse Tyson Einstein Allan watts why some men become great is how they focused on how all men need to be the same no greater no less if u been told who u are u can start doin what your told what u are is what your told .the greatest lye has the greatest liar find your the great truth, God has never penned a paper has Christ read the written word of God. I AM is God name what then is Gods name I AM
God holds the difference Christ paid that difference all religion still begs the difference just that one war in heaven? ?

[BLBereans]

"Christ Consciousness" - a term right out of New Age Gnosticism and Theosophy.

I believe it makes all the difference whether or not one believes Jesus was/is God incarnate; that is also something He clearly made known and I too believe Him. I believe He was The Unique Son of God; He is God, yet NOT the Father. He is the only man to walk the earth who did not commit sin of any kind. Can anyone here say the same? How can one say, "I am Christ" and still commit sinful acts?

Our Lord and Savior Jesus The Christ is with us, He does NOT become us. The redemption of the world is done and He has conquered it along with ALL of its ills and iniquity, however, the FINAL blow to sin and those who promote it knowingly and rebelliously, is yet to come. When The Kingdom is FULLY come, there will be no more sin, no more torture, no more murder/killing, no more sickness, no more debate. Are we there yet?

We do not wait for His Kingdom to come, we wait for the establishment of the Kingdom which rules over a global Eden. I do not think anyone here can say we are living that now, can one?

His Kingdom was at hand at the time of His ministry, however, it is NOT yet FULLY realized; here but not yet, at hand but not fully manifest.

[Michael Joseph]

I AM is God name what then is God's name I AM. God holds the difference Christ paid that difference all religion still begs the difference just that one war in heaven?

Religion is a beggar at the gate - a lame man begging alms. I talked to a fella a few days back and he went into a great discourse about how Russia was going to march south on the city of Jerusalem and ....blah, blah, blah.

Dan is in the North - Dan is the emotional nature. Ephraim is in the West - Ephraim is the intellectual nature. Reuben is in the South - Reuben is the physical nature. Judah is in the east - Judah is the spiritual. So then the enemy comes from the North.

Why does religion make God to be a liar? For one race/tribe says "we are chosen" but God says I don't have respect unto persons. So then the men and women who occupy in the Trust Boundary known as Russia [or whatever it is called today] are just as precious to God as the men and women who occupy in the Trust Boundary known as Germany or Israel, or United States or Europe or any state.

However we like to think that God is on our side. And that of course would mean God is not on the side of those who oppose our ideologies and of those who would take our cozy, comfortable lifestyles that we enjoy off the backs of children and those who have not two pennies to rub together. Yep God Bless America - where at least we know we're free! What a joke.

Then of course there is the crowd who says they can't wait to see Jesus - but they of course never do what Jesus says and since they all believe they must die to see he whom they love dearly - so they say - they await the day of their death. I say, why not hurry it along. So I asked the gentleman aforementioned if he loved Jesus so dearly and wanted a face to face relationship so badly why didn't he just prosecute his own death so that he might get to be with his beloved and cherished one! Here is where his hypocrisy shown like a lighthouse in the black of night.

So I ask - come on Mr. religionist, why are you playing games? If Jesus is your beloved and you are love sick with desire to have a face to face relationship, then why are you waiting? There is of course the fall back story - He is coming back any time now. Ahhhhh. And so therefore one wants to be prepared for his coming. Nitey nite - sleep well.

But lets see what Jesus actually said. Because, I grow so weary of those who put words in his mouth.

Mar_1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Yee haw - that was 2000 +/- years ago. Apparently Jesus did not get the memo from the Higher Ups that the Kingdom would be established at some future date. Jesus said the time is fulfilled [past tense] and the kingdom of God is NOW.

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Addressing a loose end: that being that the parables were understood by the disciples or some such nonsense: Again with traditions of mis-understanding; so let me go forth to win friends...

Mat 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:

Mat 13:35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.

Mat 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

Mat 13:51 Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord.

Comment: Gee in v.36 even after Jesus spoke the parable of the tares to everyone, that means you and I friend, Jesus then sent away the multitude that refuses to discipline themselves in the Way that Jesus prescribed and Jesus then explained the parable unto the disciples. I notice that the disciples were the only ones who cared enough to ask "hey, what's that mean?" Does that have value for my life today?

The multitudes form their own vain reasonings which results in their religion - and as such, they remain blind thinking of themselves that they see so far. But notice Jesus sent away the multitude. Gee after hearing the meaning the disciples have to be thinking "Thank God we have God on our side!" Of course the last was in irony.

Indeed the ego wants what it wants - and Herod will remove John's head in order to appease his conscience. Er, Er... I mean I will do what I need to do in order to justify myself and my deeds - as I rationalize myself into the arms of the savior by and thru my phoney religion. That includes finding others to agree with me so that we might all sleep well in our beds. For how can the majority be wrong?

Let me tell you a tale of the North Country Blues


Shalom
MJ

[Michael Joseph]

"Christ Consciousness" - a term right out of New Age Gnosticism and Theosophy.

I believe it makes all the difference whether or not one believes Jesus was/is God incarnate; that is also something He clearly made known and I too believe Him. I believe He was The Unique Son of God; He is God, yet NOT the Father. He is the only man to walk the earth who did not commit sin of any kind. Can anyone here say the same? How can one say, "I am Christ" and still commit sinful acts?

Our Lord and Savior Jesus The Christ is with us, He does NOT become us. The redemption of the world is done and He has conquered it along with ALL of its ills and iniquity, however, the FINAL blow to sin and those who promote it knowingly and rebelliously, is yet to come. When The Kingdom is FULLY come, there will be no more sin, no more torture, no more murder/killing, no more sickness, no more debate. Are we there yet?

We do not wait for His Kingdom to come, we wait for the establishment of the Kingdom which rules over a global Eden. I do not think anyone here can say we are living that now, can one?

His Kingdom was at hand at the time of His ministry, however, it is NOT yet FULLY realized; here but not yet, at hand but not fully manifest.

Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,

Gal 4:20 I desire to be present with you now, and to change my voice; for I stand in doubt of you.

Gal 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?

Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Hagar.

Gal 4:25 For this Hagar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Gal 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

So what is new under the sun?

[BLBereans]

Thank you.

I prefer clarity over agreement.

[xparte]

RE LEGION in a legion was many; hence the word is retained among the [Jews PRIESTS,] and is used for a large number, either of persons or things; as, , "a legion of olives" that is, a large number of them; though sometimes it is used of a single person, who has others under him, as the general of an army: thus it is said that one man should say to another,

"from whence art thou? he replies, from such a "legion" am I;--the man went to the legion--the legion heard, and was afraid--the man said, woe unto me! now will the legion slay me--the legion heard, &c.'' What is plain is a PERSONS RELIGION spells a Man,s legion so God is not a respect er of persons a church is a person If one attends know this attend court is a basilica know this. a [ judge ] shows no respect for persons.Its easy as hell dragging out ones demons Mention Christ is within. ones two wolves internal fight over good or evil the one you feed wins only with the draw still that starving one has the sharper teeth.Eaten with words

[Michael Joseph]

RE LEGION in a legion was many; hence the word is retained among the [Jews PRIESTS,] and is used for a large number, either of persons or things; as, , "a legion of olives" that is, a large number of them; though sometimes it is used of a single person, who has others under him, as the general of an army: thus it is said that one man should say to another,

"from whence art thou? he replies, from such a "legion" am I;--the man went to the legion--the legion heard, and was afraid--the man said, woe unto me! now will the legion slay me--the legion heard, &c.'' What is plain is a PERSONS RELIGION spells a Man,s legion so God is not a respect er of persons a church is a person If one attends know this attend court is a basilica know this. a [ judge ] shows no respect for persons.Its easy as hell dragging out ones demons Mention Christ is within. ones two wolves internal fight over good or evil the one you feed wins only with the draw still that starving one has the sharper teeth.Eaten with words

We must chase the money changers out of the temple - which is to say out of our Higher Mind. The carnal mind is not allowed to enter the temple.

Mat 20:18 Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death,

The Chief Priests - are the Great Religions
The scribes - are the Pastors, Priests, Rabbi's

And in fact these put Christ to death - by confining, defining, and refining - that which is Spiritual is packaged in the flesh and those who are fleshly are controlled and ruled.

Jesus, the man, is just like me in every way. If he is not like me in some way, then God is not very nice. Jesus said I and my Father are ONE. I say the same thing.

But religion can't have that! There is no control there, no power. Why if I don't need religion and if everybody wakes up to The Way of God, then those control mechanisms are gone. The church will go from the penthouse to the outhouse.

There is a son of man in everyone of us. And there are scribes and pharisees in everyone of us. Therefore there is a trusted one named Judas in everyone of us as well that is given the duty to betray an aspect of us. This is necessary so that the veil can be cut and Christ may be formed IN US - in me.

Actually, Christ has always been there it is just that I stood in the way. I was standing in the temple [my carnal mind] showing myself to be God. Religion has everyone looking without their body. That way the King can say he is greater than me - by predestination. And the Priest can say he is greater than I - by predestination.

Once the Holy Spirit has come to one there is no need for any man to teach that one. The Mary aspect within that one will bring forth the sons of God - which is to say the Divine Creative aspects of God - Thoughts of God - White Cattle Pure and undefiled. Whereof is religion? Here there is no need for faith - there is an understanding and Wisdom is justified by her children. There is no need of faith when the hope is manifest.

Religion keeps one in perpetual hope - never realized.

Mar 12:27 He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.

Religion has one thinking he must die to know God

Shalom,
MJ

[xparte]

Patience is promise all promise needs polish MJ nothing remains darker then the truth thanx for your shine

[Michael Joseph]

Patience is promise all promise needs polish MJ nothing remains darker then the truth thanx for your shine

Thank you. We limit ourselves. But Jesus Christ said "ye are the light of the world" - but unfortunately we let others put us down and we begin to believe it. We no longer declare in the way of God - we beg and plead. But the Word tells us to declare as if we have. Declare thyself.

The limited mind is always seeking without himself. Passover, Pentecost and Tabernacles first happens within me. Daniel prayed three times a day. Religion has folks believing that these Feasts will happen one day. Why not Today? Today is a good day!

You know what is terrible? Religion has folks in fear of being on the wrong team. This is a terrible position of fear - always doubting, always hoping "did I make the right decision". But Jesus Christ taught the way of God. Yet it seems religion is afraid of that way. Is there any wonder?

Religion is a SHAM. A beggar in the gate. A blind man, a lame man. Religion denies Christ - three times.

Tell me religionists what did the Shulamite woman mean when she said "our bed is green?". I'll wait. For those who know The Way - get ye up into the High Mountain into a cave whereof the one river feeds. Wisdom indeed has built Herself a house.

Maybe she got her paint brush out that day and painted the head and foot boards green? For they have a zeal for God but not concerning knowledge! Love on the Astral Plane - our bed is green. A rapture into higher consciousness - THIS DAY.

Never in the Bible is out of body experience ever discussed - never is an alienation of the mind discussed - that is eastern and we are western in our pious religion. Well let's just let the Bible speak for itself and shut the mouths of those who don't read it anyways.

2Co 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.

2Co 12:3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth


Act_10:10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,

Act_11:5 I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me:

Act_22:17 And it came to pass, that, when I was come again to Jerusalem, even while I prayed in the temple, I was in a trance;


TRANCE:

G1611 = Strongs Concordance

ekstasis

From G1839; a displacement of the mind
G1611

Thayer Definition:

1) any casting down of a thing from its proper place or state, displacement

2) a throwing of the mind out of its normal state, alienation of mind, whether such as makes a lunatic or that of a man who by some sudden emotion is transported as it were out of himself, so that in this rapt condition, although he is awake, his mind is drawn off from all surrounding objects and wholly fixed on things divine that he sees nothing but the forms and images lying within, and thinks that he perceives with his bodily eyes and ears realities shown him by God.


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Religion would say "oh brother, don't do that, you might be possessed by a demon" - always with their fear. But what did Jesus Christ say?

Luk 11:10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

Luk 11:11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?

Luk 11:12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?

Luk 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?


By fish is meant wisdom - thoughts of God - that is why Jesus is symbolized by the sign of the fish. Ref John 1:1. Yet, those good intentioned controllers in soothsaying voices say - "Oh, brother, you don't want to do that. You might invite an evil spirit." Is that right religionist? Well you take that up with Jesus Christ. Because he says differently.

Luk 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.



Religion, what a SHAM.

Get ye up into that High Mountain. But the fleshly ones are still looking for a big boat somewhere on top of some High Mountain. Seems they totally "miss the boat".



Shalom,
MJ

[george]

Religion is truly a sickness.

is anyone immune? if you take it a few steps further, is not language a religion?

we each have unique perspectives. (or so it seems anyway)

Ive got a bad habit.. its reading. (and you thought smoking was bad?) havnt quit cold turkey yet so figured I would read more from Plato until then because the republic seemed reasonable to me so Ive started on Timeaus.

WOW! if your gonna read something.. THIS! Ive seen what y'all can make out of those bible words here. cant begin to imaging what you could do with Plato's!

unless your mind is (pre)made, then I can see it already if you know what I mean.

interesting thread, seems to have spawned several others but they all start with cut & paste jobs too.

anyone know about these guys? http://reignoftheheavens.org/ claim to have the bible jesus property/land mass that is just above israel and the pope never claimed it.

pretty fascinating story if nothing else look at the videos to get a quick idea.

me? I dont believe nothing and I dont know anything either, a new leaf for me, it feels good though.

[David Merrill]

As I was studying Cantonese a bit back I viewed language as a national code. Language as a religion? That does work in so many ways!

[allodial]

As I was studying Cantonese a bit back I viewed language as a national code. Language as a religion? That does work in so many ways!

Words and symbols of culture as Constellations of the mind?

Some scans regarding Rome's integration of the Babylonian systems subsequent to Attalus III bequeathing his estate to Rome (modern Rome continues such to this day, Turkey or Anatoloia was formerly known as the Sultanate of Rome)--the merger appears to continue today in the Modern Roman System:

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