Why Women Destroy Nations, Civilizations

[allodial]

As I've asserted before, the male-female marriage relationship is a model that reveals truth (i.e. things otherwise mysterious). This is one reason marriage is targeted by the Vampire Cabal, it reveals truths they want to monopolize. Abraham and Sarah don't need to be merely symbolic or allegorical because the male (conscious/superconscious) and the female (subconscious) can be read in actual, tangible relationships between husbands and wives. Likewise with the potter (actor/male) and his clay (acted-upon/female) or the artist (actor/male) and a substrate such as a canvas (female).

[David Merrill]

Many good questions, Allodial:


#4 Whose DNA and bloodline any given female advertising? Rejection of the idea of procreating with a particular female is refusal to facilitate continuing a specific bloodline or DNA.

Or blending one?

This is (conversely) the point I make about Abraham taking Isaac up to the summit of Mount Moriah to sacrifice him. The notion God is out there is just that absurd. Would not that make Him that insecure? - That he needs somebody to kill his son to prove the subject believes?

Abraham and Sarah were half-siblings.

I persist: it was passe to in that day for people to sacrificing their children to mere idols. Abraham was tested but it was revealed that the God he had taken to did not want him to sacrifice his son. Post #40 revised BTW.

Very well. Sorry to make you persist.

It just seemed quite pertinent to the discussion. The recombining of DNA.

Quite relevant I'd say.

Here is the AMAZING thing that the physical act of coitus reflects the Mental Act between the thought and desire. The seed or Sperm is the thought. So when I look upon Abram and Sarai - I see a degraded state of being in fallen mankind. What I mean is when you consider the "turtledove" and why it is a bird of sacrifice acceptable to Yah - it is a lesson unto the knower. For the turtledove pair lay two eggs and these two are male and female - and these two when they hatch are mates for life. This is akin to Adam - Eve. Also it is a perfect picture of the regenerated mind/heart - you could say 1/2 brother [mind] and 1/2 sister [heart].

Now physically Abram could not impregnate Sarai so emotion intervened. It was not until the body was circumcised which is really a story about the mind being regenerate that Abraham [a regenerate mind / or circumcised flesh] could impregnate Sarah [Spirit Womb]. Abram in his flesh [which is akin to his Carnal Mind] could only impregnate the "woman of emotion"...

Shalom,
MJ

I enjoy the quasi-medical and biological interpretations MJ. You really demonstrate for me how the Bible teaches lessons that are so holographic, that can be taught and learned on so many levels.

Simplifying my point; when I spoke of Abraham and Sarah's incest, being half siblings to a Jewish-studied qabbalist there was quite a reaction and defense. There is a lot of guilt there, actually, a cover up. The cover story being taught is that Sarai was Lot's daughter, not Terra's. A couple weeks of study though and it comes down to we really best accept what the Bible teaches, whether allegorical metaphor or not.

Myself, I believe that at about that time, we are at a juncture between history and metaphor as far as the actual people; but that the lessons are open to interpretation and in such are eternal in value.

So in persisting...


The question really comes down to allegorical or not, was Abraham half-brother to Sarah? Ancient papers tell that Sarah's mother was Tehevita and Abraham's mother was Yoni - both wives of Terra, their father.

The only reason to persist for me is that I feel the whole deal of sacrifice evolves around guilt. - Meaning that is what drove Abraham to putting a knife to Isaac's throat when he reached puberty.

The turtledove analogy is helpful but not backed by actual biology. The female does not lay male and female eggs. I looked briefly and find nothing about the in-nest monogamy too. But bringing that midrash into the discussion is very interesting indeed. Especially that this characteristic, true or not, makes the turtle dove an approved sacrifice.

The guilt of Abraham would also include that he allowed Sarah to murder Hagar, and dying of dehydration is horrific. But that the issue survived - Ishmael - to father twelve Arabic nations, always in conflict with the resulting decision to allow Isaac to survive the intended sacrifice is important symbology. What we can do here is remember that the Israelites were hard-hearted and stiff-necked too.

So I am undecided whether or not the whole sacrifice issue is about genetics or guilt?

[allodial]

Though I'm not sure how Abraham or Sarah were "Jewish" in the sense of Judeans or Judahites since Judah was yet born, I can perceive merit in considering why people ever felt the need to sacrifice anything even to idols and to consider the nature of the psychology behind it. Is it innate? Or is it systematically taught? Is it because of guilt or is it a means of avoiding guilt (speaking of a tendency or perhaps character and propensity toward blaming someone else)?

However, one thing I don't get is why they (Abraham and Sarah) would have would feel guilt about something that was acceptable in their society. Though possible they may have been siblings of different mothers. They may also have been separated by a generation (grandchildren). In those days and even as recent as the 70s and 80s grandsons and grandaughters were regarded as sons or daughters grandparents.

As for Abram's family and society having a moral upper hand, he was required to come out from them, to abandon their faith. Anyone claiming "We're OK cos we were Abraham's neighbors" would be claiming to be the very people Abraham was required to abandon and come out from among. The idolatry among Abram's society before he experienced any spiritual regeneration has been widely discussed. Even if Abraham could be traced back to a specific tribe in Indian or in the land of Kush or the like, there is nothing in the Tanach that suggests those people to have had the moral upper hand. Why would Abraham have been called out from them and required to leave them if they were morally upright?

Also, even among the Hindus, Brahman has a personality rather than being merely impersonal.

P.S. There is plausible evidence in Jeremiah having planted the Hebrew faith among Cyrus' forebears though some suggest that planting to have become highly 'paganized' over time: as in a link between Jeremiah and Zarathustra and Buddha though Jeremiah's doctrines are said to have been mingled with syncretism over the centuries. The reason Buddhism and Christianity may have similarities is that rather than being because of Christianity borrowing from Buddhism it may very well be quite the other way around. This is important because recent religious figures have tried to suggest Christianity to be a knockoff of some Buddhist play. I also discern that Orthodox Christianity had reached China and Japan and that mysteries behind World War II and the spread of Communism in Asia was to destroy the ancient Christian legacy (and I'm not referring to Simonianism). The timeliness of Jeremiah in Persia and the births of Zarathustra and Buddha's (Shakya-muni?) birth is quite interesting. The continuity and consistency between the teachings of Jeremiah and bible-based (orthodox) Christianity seems to be quite strong. It would not surprise me if the Communists in SE Asia were primarily out to destroy the Hebraic-Melchizedekic doctrines that Jeremiah planted in Persia. Look what the Communists did in Armenia, Western Europe and the Soviet Union: they attacked Israel's legacy and the royal, priestly line of the one named at Exodus 3:14. When one has the right perspective, Jacob's Time of Trouble is more clearly perceived. Anyone siding against that legacy should prayerfully and humbly consider the ramifications of doing so.

Zarathustra (ZOROASTER) appeared from eastern Iran in the region of Hara and Bactria. His original doctrine was monotheistic and even Biblical in character. After Zoroaster's death, his religion was paganised by the Median tribe of Magi, even though the original message had been Hebraic. Zoroaster, according to Iranian tradition had been taught by the prophet Jeremiah or by one of Jeremiah's pupils.

Related:
{Abram} - the Son of A Sumerian Oracle Priest

[David Merrill]

Dear Allodial;

You are a wonderful asset - your library.

Though I'm not sure how Abraham or Sarah were "Jewish" in the sense of Judeans or Judahites since Judah was yet born, I can perceive merit in considering why people ever felt the need to sacrifice anything even to idols and to consider the nature of the psychology behind it. Is it innate? Or is it systematically taught? Is it because of guilt or is it a means of avoiding guilt (speaking of a tendency or perhaps character and propensity toward blaming someone else)?

However, one thing I don't get is why they (Abraham and Sarah) would have would feel guilt about something that was acceptable in their society. Though possible they may have been siblings of different mothers.

Today I do not run into any professed Israelites, they are all Jews - formed in Babylon. It was a Jewish qabbalist who defends that they were not half-siblings, in the same manner that you do by offsetting a generation.

Is it because of guilt or is it a means of avoiding guilt (speaking of a tendency or perhaps character and propensity toward blaming someone else)?

It may be projection/reflection on my part but you validate my hypothesis well. Should sin actually be the emotion and feeling that God is separate and even angry then this all fits together well. Sacrifice in itself is a sin. Which brings us back to Passover; that blood was a mark, a taboo or oath sworn to paint on the doorposts showing faith. Since families were ordered to share, so that the lamb could be better consumed completely the Passover Lamb was not and is not a sacrifice at all.

Again, I see what I want to see; but I spend a lot of time researching and trying to be objective while I do. It looks to me that a pastor will utilize guilt for the collection plate but when you call him on it, the Blood of Jesus is quickly redacted to a Mark of Faith like Exodus 13:16 in the Libel of Review:

Exo 13:16 And it shall be for a token upon thine hand, and for frontlets between thine eyes: for by strength of hand the LORD brought us forth out of Egypt.

However it is acceptable to speak of Jesus as the perfect sacrificial lamb by substitution for the animal sacrifices in bible studies. Interestingly, I can easily adjust this by bringing to mind that the Passover Lamb is not a sacrifice and the Substitution described is sealing up the Veil, rather than tearing it top to bottom. Saying that Jesus fulfilled the sacrificial laws is to say that the sacrificial laws were functional to begin with.

[allodial]

Today I do not run into any professed Israelites, they are all Jews - formed in Babylon.

The Israelites were called Christians at Antioch.

It was a Jewish qabbalist who defends that they were not half-siblings, in the same manner that you do by offsetting a generation.

Your own objectiveness is appreciated likewise. I can easily accept that they may have been children two different mothers of the same 'generational level'. Like 'academic retroprojection', I am not the sort to be an apologist to the point of weaving fig leaves to cover the fact of Abraham and Sarah's sibling-ness. I don't see the need to, persay, "make a lie seem true as a alleged favor to God". I consider that all of the possibilities could have been true. Though I suspect it to be most like that they were of different mothers. I find no reason to project Mosaic law back in time. Thusly if they were siblings of different mothers but the same father, how can I find them guilty retroactively? So like many 'academic, fig-leave garment weaver-retrofitters' I am not necessarily finding a need to cling to the falsely-constituted psychological liferaft or comfort-blanket of Abraham and Sarah not being siblings of the same father. Either way, Mosaic law was yet imposed. I'm speaking of my approach rather than pointing the finger at anyone else's approach: if it makes me wince if someone else were to do it, it also would make me wince if I do it.

I see Abraham and Sarah as Hebrews rather than "Jews". Babylon AFAIK was yet established. While modern "Jews" may rightly find an affinity with Abraham and Sarah, to call Abraham and Sarah Jews seems to be a kind of 'retroprojection' (even if only for the reason that Abraham and Sarah predate Darius and Cyrus by a long, long way). There is a someone holding themselves out as a Biblical anthropologists who (though her writings are quite interesting) insists that Abraham lived in Edom--kind've like saying the Iroquois lived in New York prior to the Mayflower arriving. So I aim to keep a strong objectivity. I figure the Most High is capable of providing adequate safety nets as I persist in truth.

It may be projection/reflection on my part but you validate my hypothesis well. Should sin actually be the emotion and feeling that God is separate and even angry then this all fits together well. Sacrifice in itself is a sin. Which brings us back to Passover; that blood was a mark, a taboo or oath sworn to paint on the doorposts showing faith. Since families were ordered to share, so that the lamb could be better consumed completely the Passover Lamb was not and is not a sacrifice at all.

Again, I see what I want to see; but I spend a lot of time researching and trying to be objective while I do. It looks to me that a pastor will utilize guilt for the collection plate but when you call him on it, the Blood of Jesus is quickly redacted to a Mark of Faith like Exodus 13:16 in the Libel of Review:

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However it is acceptable to speak of Jesus as the perfect sacrificial lamb by substitution for the animal sacrifices in bible studies. Interestingly, I can easily adjust this by bringing to mind that the Passover Lamb is not a sacrifice and the Substitution described is sealing up the Veil, rather than tearing it top to bottom. Saying that Jesus fulfilled the sacrificial laws is to say that the sacrificial laws were functional to begin with.

I'm amazed at how that (the identification) and the notion of a ransom payment to a hostile adversary could be missed by so-called pastors. Its like missing a herd of giraffes grazing the middle of the highway. I've met someone (a Roman Catholic though I'm not suggesting her to speak for anyone else but herself though some kind of infiltration of the RC organization and Vatican has been widely suggested) who outright asserted God himself to have crucified Jesus and to have taken pleasure in it. But yet the NT shows Jesus/Yeshua/Yehoshua (?) as defeating an adversary at the Cross. Hmmm.

On the topic of identifying with the blood, Smith Wigglesworth gave a very interesting sermon about a regenerate orthodox (lower-case 'o') Christian man who visited a seance motivated by unctions to prove his faith. When the seance started, he proceeded to "plead the blood" (i.e. he asserted identification with the blood). The seance leader had trouble starting and she sought through her means to speak into the spirit real as to why the seance would not proceed. Apparently after an hour they failed to get the seance under way. The seance leader came up with the explanation from the spirit realm: "Something about the blood" or "Someone here has belief in the blood." (They may as well have said "Someone here identifies with the Blood of the Lamb.")

I have first-hand witnessed many similar effects (I could not in honesty deny what I witnessed repeatedly first-hand) of someone 'pleading the blood' in encounters with dark-side occultists, tarot card readers, etc. "Sorry the pool is closed today for some reason. Come again tomorrow?" A key reason black magicians are out to wipe out orthodox Christianity is because they think doing so would end the general embargo and impediments to black magic in the spiritual realm since ~30 A.D. Those in Rome that relied on oracles were incensed at Christians when the oracles stopped working after the Crucifixion. so they set out to slaughter those Israelites. It is widely suggested that Adolph Hitler was very much aware of this and saw Christianity/Israelite priests of any kind as an impediments to restoring "ancient, pure occultic practices" he may have deemed to have been 'original to his ancestors'.




The original Smith Wigglesworth sermon that I read was from a different book.

[allodial]

Also this is a sample of the kind of return-to-pagan-ways kind of doctrines that were spread around in Nazi Germany:

Christianity from its very inception was and is nothing more than a program. The agenda of this program is for the destruction of Aryan peoples (descended from the God known as "Satan") using occult powers, and for the eventual enslavement of all remaining races with the top Jews in total control. The Jews have been using black magick against the Gentiles who have been powerless to fight back, for centuries. This knowledge was forcefully and systematically removed from Aryan peoples by the "Inquisition" where Aryan priests and spiritual leaders such as the Druids and many others were tortured to death and murdered en masse.
[COLOR="#000080"]Though such I may differ in viewpoint, note from whom the author of that quote suggests "the Aryan peoples" to have descended!

Orthodox bible Christianity was intended to free mankind from the darkside occultists and to promote holiness. Salvation was to come via Judah. However, Judah was part of Israel and rather than displacing Israel may have become the focus of a special administrative function. Anyway, that kind of return-to-paganism philosophy is allegedly was and is being sold to the Mexicans. Consider that Christianity may have effectively outlawed in Mexico for SEVENTY YEARS. This gives more credence as to why Hitler and the Mexican leaders of his time may have been ready to ally against the United states of America. They may have had a very similar agenda. The reason some of Mexico's leaders were willing to team up with the Nazis to attack the United States of America makes more sense with the truth made clear as to extant philosophies.

They don't to realize that it was the orthodox Christians (not to be confused with Simonians who called themselves "Christians") who were accused of 'witchcraft' when they were merely exercising the divinely imparted authority for performing spiritual housecleaning where they went. Some Mexican academicians have been allegedly pushing for a return to Aztecian ritualism. The Nazis were doing the same thing which is why they were slaughtering the Israelite priesthood(read: orthodox Christians): World War I, the so-called "Russian Revolution", the Armenian Genocide, World War II were all massacres aimed at destroying the legacy of the Israelite priesthood throughout Eurasia, Africa and Levant. Yes even Mussolini dropped bombs, poisons on Ethiopia under Haile Selassie who is regarded to have direct ancestry to Moses.

Of course, anyone with their wits about them know that the Hebraic and Melchizedekian doctrines are consistent and have persisted across thousands years. Judah didn't invent them. Israel came before Judah.

Related:
The Dynasty of Moses and the Queen of Sheba
Persecution of Christians In Mexico (started in 1917--what a coincidence!)

[Michael Joseph]

Onan's sin was refusing to procreate as required not in merely spilling his seed.

Keeping it light around here: Obviously there are significant penalties for early withdrawal.

[allodial]

Keeping it light around here: Obviously there are significant penalties for early withdrawal.

So that's why they call it a 'nest egg'. All along they were running an XXX-pun.


Allegedly, early withdrawal can adversely impact your 'nest egg'.

[David Merrill]

On the topic of identifying with the blood, Smith Wigglesworth gave a very interesting sermon about a regenerate orthodox (lower-case 'o') Christian man who visited a seance motivated by unctions to prove his faith. When the seance started, he proceeded to "plead the blood" (i.e. he asserted identification with the blood). The seance leader had trouble starting and she sought through her means to speak into the spirit real as to why the seance would not proceed. Apparently after an hour they failed to get the seance under way. The seance leader came up with the explanation from the spirit realm: "Something about the blood" or "Someone here has belief in the blood." (They may as well have said "Someone here identifies with the Blood of the Lamb.")

I was listening to somebody complain about the transit system at 5:30. You are underground waiting for your train or bus, glum and getting glummer as you stress about all the things you did not get accomplished - to think about on the bus or train when it arrives.

I said, "I would pull out my harmonica and pop that egregore before it could be elevated to a godform!"

https://youtu.be/GqRL1ZfBl8s

[allodial]

I was listening to somebody complain about the transit system at 5:30. You are underground waiting for your train or bus, glum and getting glummer as you stress about all the things you did not get accomplished - to think about on the bus or train when it arrives.

I said, "I would pull out my harmonica and pop that egregore before it could be elevated to a godform!"

https://youtu.be/GqRL1ZfBl8s

That's about right.

[Moxie]

How do you know that real women are the problem and not transgender male-to-females?

To "make it big" in Hollywood, one must become a transgender. Name your favorite movie star/rock star, supermodel, etc. They're transgender, like the baphomet, because Hollywood and Entertainment is based on Satanism. That is the requirement for the "selling the soul" part.

Outside of Hollywood, these types do not feel a moral obligation to let you know what they were originally. Now I comprehend what marriage annulments were for.

Goes back a long ways. Shakespearian actors were all men: men played womens' roles. Ballerinas -- why do they have long legs, long arms, flat chest, super thin? They were castrato men. Castrati sopranos had a greater lung capacity for singing opera.

But bone structure does not lie, and men and women have great differences there, although plastic surgeons can hide unwanted features temporarily.

Hollywood fools people by the bizillions with a "duping delight" grin on their face.

[Michael Joseph]

How do you know that real women are the problem and not transgender male-to-females?

To "make it big" in Hollywood, one must become a transgender. Name your favorite movie star/rock star, supermodel, etc. They're transgender, like the baphomet, because Hollywood and Entertainment is based on Satanism. That is the requirement for the "selling the soul" part.

Outside of Hollywood, these types do not feel a moral obligation to let you know what they were originally. Now I comprehend what marriage annulments were for.

Goes back a long ways. Shakespearian actors were all men: men played womens' roles. Ballerinas -- why do they have long legs, long arms, flat chest, super thin? They were castrato men. Castrati sopranos had a greater lung capacity for singing opera.

But bone structure does not lie, and men and women have great differences there, although plastic surgeons can hide unwanted features temporarily.

Hollywood fools people by the bizillions with a "duping delight" grin on their face.

I can only be accountable for my own House according to my own choices. The problem that I see is emotion is ruling the mind. I really don't care to discuss the external reality as it is just a LEAF on the tree. Rather I choose to discuss the roots which feed the tree. Therefore looking within myself I look into the mirror and I behold my true nature.

and I pray God to send "hornets" to flush out those hidden kings within me which have built up strongholds in me so that these might be discovered and put to death.

In my view, satanism is just self-centeredness above all else.

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who cares what the world does - i was asked who will I vote for - that is almost too funny to me these days - I don't vote. What do I give a crap about the worldly systems. My direction does not come from the world. I quit the world a long time ago and I have not been with a job for more than 10 years now and yet Yah increases according to His wonderful mercies and graces. The world is what it is - I quit.

so be salty where you can - but who really cares what hollywood is up to? Not I, says me.

Therefore DECLARE THY TRUST in God under Providence - then CLAIM Jubilee. Canon Law is subject to Divine Law. Admiralty and Constitutional Law [water and land] is subject to the law of the air [Canon] but the law of the air is subject to the law of the fire [Divine]. For our God is a consuming Fire.

It is no longer I that lives but Christ in me - this life I live I live by the faith of the son of God.....therefore, dead am I to the flesh. Submitted am I to the direction of the Holy Spirit. Led am I by the Holy Spirit thusly called am I a son of God.

Liberty declare I in the Spirit - Jubilee declare I, trumpeting the Voice of Freedom in the Shadow of the Almighty in refuge under the Lord.

In ministerial capacity am I - a regenerate man - speaking in the name of my King - Jesus Christ or Yehoshuah.

The world is what it is - the Creator owns all and may grant to whomsoever the Creator chooses to grant. Thusly unconcerned am I of the proceedings of this world. The Kingdom of God is Within.

Comes not the Kingdom of God by observation - why are so many looking? Why not illuminate your little piece of the Divine! That spark that flame - let it burn within - an all consuming fire!

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Point I not without but rather within me at my feminine nature [emotion] - is she in BALANCE with mind [male nature] - conscious observer am I.

The mirror is sometimes hard to look into for all of the ruling kings within. But let the child come unto me sayeth Joseph and Jesus. The true you! Let the true you - come forth - shouting restoration - Jubilee.

Let the aul be driven in my ear - for I desire NOT to be without the House of my God. And I shall dwell in the House of the LORD forever.

Shalom,
MJ

[allodial]

How do you know that real women are the problem and not transgender male-to-females?

Feral vs civilized vs regenerate. Distinctions are made.

[Moxie]

who cares what the world does -

so be salty where you can - but who really cares what Hollywood is up to

MJ

Says MJ with the wife and kids so smugly.

Try being a single woman in this day and age. Come live two hours from Hollywood where that culture trickles south.

People come into church with their baggage and hide it. Some are there to get away from satanism because they gave their life to Christ. I have seen transgender couples at church get married and the pastor was too clueless to recognize what was going on because he didn't care what was going on in Hollywood!

Try dating from a pool like that.

Hollywood, which is a part of the Illuminati, controls the masses, yes, even Christians, more than you realize.

It's helpful to recognize poison packaged as something harmless.

[allodial]

Wel...California is special. I've experienced first hand.