Birth Certificate - What it is

[BLBereans]

Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

The amazing aspect of the foregoing verse is that folks are actually looking for this to happen!

That is utterly amazing.

Anyone who cannot see that has been the status quo since the day FDRs banking "holiday" ended in 1934 is a member of the proverbial "people" who perish through lack of knowledge.

I suggest that the manner of use of the NAME determines one's trust and faith; is it a "pass-thru" entity used out of necessity or does one lay claim to it? Do one use it for his/her benefit or for the benefit of others? If one owns nothing in the DEAD realm then the NAME is only a transmitting utility whereby energy and labor is given freely, and in toto, for the benefit of the public trust - one cannot "owe" since there is nothing left to give.

I was born on this land but my mom and dad were not, yet I am aware of these "goings-on" I suppose that makes no difference as to one's quest for truth; there are people who have been on this land for generations who haven't a clue as to the topic at hand.

The question is, do you truly seek out the truth or are you comfortable with the worldly status quo?

[BLBereans]

I called Vital Statics Office and had a nice chat with them and that info came right out of the horses mouth.

All birth certificates are original. They are not a copy of a document on file.

Statement of live birth original is being held by them in trust. When you order one you get a copy of a original record.

Big , big differences.
One who holds the original holds the liability.

Call them up and ask them.

An original document has the wet ink signature of the party who declares or testifies. A record can be made of that original under the seal of three parties; the originator, the witness(es) and the record keeper. From either, certified copies can be made to attest as to the existence of an original.

Who holds the original? Answer: the creator.

[Michael Joseph]

The question is, do you truly seek out the truth or are you comfortable with the worldly status quo?

Nevertheless we work not in faith but in love to make this world a better place for others. This requires a sort of wilderness experience whereby one is misunderstood and mischaracterized by the masses who would willingly compromise themselves for the "onions" and "garlics" Egypt has to offer. Nevertheless, we are informed at Rev 15:1-3 that there is an overcoming of that Named Account - and those who understand comprehend the Song of Moses - Deut 32. For we know, the purpose and we are true to the choice not taking thought in fear for the future or regret of the past but taking those thoughts captive we "take no thought" for if we take thought for the choice we deny and quench the Holy Spirit. Yet in taking no thought we speak and do that which is granted from on High.

Folks are looking for a worldly potentate to arise with courts but in keeping an eye on the external world they lose sight of the internal conflict of thought/emotion. Yet this wilderness experience is necessary for the seeker - for he who would find truth must seek it with all his heart.

The way of Cain in faith is inferior to the way of Abel in Love. For in faith there is duty and obligation but in love their is a dying to self to serve another. Happiness is found, I believe in the way of Abel. For compelled love is no love at all. And once the restrictions ease up from the compelled force to love- rebellion naturally occurs. Peace at the end of a gun is no peace at all.

Rev 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

Rev 15:3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.


He who loves prosperity is blind - and most times loses his ability to think and feel. Since those names are capitalized there remains a presumption as to how the trust will be expressed. Will it be in Charity or Greed? Will it be in Me or We? Thusly the court is a female vessel. Here is more writings from earlier this week:

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Regarding OATHS OF OFFICE....

John_5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

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I believe it is true that the IMF overlay in the central banking scheme is a Fiefdom. Thusly any interaction with any officer requires a Fee or a Tax or a Tribute. I have used this one in the past and will again soon I think:

Question: Are you trying to Tax a child of God?

If you stop to consider how incredible that simple question really is then you might get a glimpse at the two kingdoms. Zion and Babylon.

I don't know about you but I am sick of the waters of Babylon. Consider carefully the following question:

Question: In what court would a King be tried?

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When I began to see the court as a woman's reproductive system, then I began to understand who I AM in regard to moving her. For 1000's of years she has birthed children of Faith - Comes now Michael Joseph in Love. Speaking for Us - We have now come. I act as Peter with the Keys to sow the good seed into her. She is the court of consciousness or temple - both are saying the same thing.

Speaking for all the elohim - a new consciousness is dawning upon this barren land for saviors have gone up to Mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau/Edom. [Ref Obadiah 1:21]

I have no trust in the fiefdom of debt. It is death/doubt/debt - hold not up the unclean thing. Jesus to Peter - the children of the King are free. Peter the impregnator must first believe he is free. Then fear is replaced by joy and love can replace faith. Remember it is a penalty unto death to "spill the seed" when in intercourse with her [the court]. But before this is completely externalized - consider the court is the temple is your consciousness! Know ye not that ye are the Temple of the Living God?

To enter into the temple is a serious matter for what is birthed will be common to all - thus let us implant the good "seed" and she will birth Love. But if Carnal Seed is implanted in her [court, consciousness, etc.] then the children will be of desolation! Ref Isiah 54:1.

Gen 38:8 And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother.
Gen 38:9 And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.
Gen 38:10 And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.

Nevertheless it is a penalty unto death to take the Name of the YHVH in vain - according to Noachide. If you are vested in the literal story, you will not see the Light. For the letter of the law is death - but the Spirit gives Light / Life.

The Mind can move mountains and emotion shall not cut off the ability of the impregnating thought....rather let the two become one [thought and emotion] so that the Will is not divided. Ref James 1:8

Jas 1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

See now the double minded man represents the two men struggling with each other [the thoughts of the mind are male].

Deu 25:11 When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets:
Deu 25:12 Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her.

For she receives and conceives seed so that the children of promise might be birthed. Until that day it seems the philosophies of the kingdoms represented of Nebuchadnezzar's statue rule the day.

IT IS IMPROPER TO LEGISLATE LAW FROM THE BENCH.

She [court] cannot impregnate herself.

Ignorant men misuse the woman to both of their peril. Consider carefully that the foregoing statement is true in the literal and the metaphysical in regard to the Temple of Law/Mind/Court. For in Love she will birth laws [children] of promise for the good of all - not just a few. It appears today that her teats have been bruised and she has been roughly treated.

Eze 23:2 Son of man, there were two women, the daughters of one mother:
Eze 23:3 And they committed whoredoms in Egypt; they committed whoredoms in their youth: there were their breasts pressed, and there they bruised the teats of their virginity.
Eze 23:4 And the names of them were Aholah the elder, and Aholibah her sister: and they were mine, and they bare sons and daughters. Thus were their names; Samaria is Aholah, and Jerusalem Aholibah.
Eze 23:5 And Aholah played the harlot when she was mine; and she doted on her lovers, on the Assyrians her neighbours,
Eze 23:6 Which were clothed with blue, captains and rulers, all of them desirable young men, horsemen riding upon horses.
Eze 23:7 Thus she committed her whoredoms with them, with all them that were the chosen men of Assyria, and with all on whom she doted: with all their idols she defiled herself.
Eze 23:8 Neither left she her whoredoms brought from Egypt: for in her youth they lay with her, and they bruised the breasts of her virginity, and poured their whoredom upon her.
Eze 23:9 Wherefore I have delivered her into the hand of her lovers, into the hand of the Assyrians, upon whom she doted.

Reader, you tell me, does it appear that the courts today are fair or does it appear that they have turned into houses for the money changers? The courts have become collection houses for the banker! It is only the enlightened Mind [Jesus] which can throw out the money changers in Love to the all - a sacrifice for the all that the masses do not comprehend in their ignorance - and yet one day they will come to appreciate.

Eze 23:13 Then I saw that she was defiled, that they took both one way,
Eze 23:14 And that she increased her whoredoms: for when she saw men pourtrayed upon the wall, the images of the Chaldeans pourtrayed with vermilion,
Eze 23:15 Girded with girdles upon their loins, exceeding in dyed attire upon their heads, all of them princes to look to, after the manner of the Babylonians of Chaldea, the land of their nativity:
Eze 23:16 And as soon as she saw them with her eyes, she doted upon them, and sent messengers unto them into Chaldea.
Eze 23:17 And the Babylonians came to her into the bed of love, and they defiled her with their whoredom, and she was polluted with them, and her mind was alienated from them.


Look carefully at the men as princes upon the Notes - Notice Washington the ALPHA is flanked by an OMEGA and upon his head is an ALTER.

Eze 23:29 And they shall deal with thee hatefully, and shall take away all thy labour, and shall leave thee naked and bare: and the nakedness of thy whoredoms shall be discovered, both thy lewdness and thy whoredoms.
Eze 23:30 I will do these things unto thee, because thou hast gone a whoring after the heathen, and because thou art polluted with their idols.

I'd say the foregoing has come to pass. One cannot buy or sell today with out the NAME and the SSN [the number of the name - Rev 13:17]. There is HOPE for redemption:

Isaiah 52:3. For not all who say they are Israel are Israel. For the true Israel walks in a special Way under God. And this Way is accomplished in Trust. For if one truly believes then one will Obey. Jesus to the masses - why do you call me Lord and do not obey me? Let us not despise the "small things" for Now is the Time.

Simply put God is not an American. Let us begin to see past the labels.

[allodial]

I called Vital Statics Office and had a nice chat with them and that info came right out of the horses mouth.

All birth certificates are original. They are not a copy of a document on file.

Statement of live birth original is being held by them in trust. When you order one you get a copy of a original record.

Big , big differences.
One who holds the original holds the liability.

Call them up and ask them.

The certificate is of course an original. They historically are certifications of the existence of an entry in the "register of births".

[walter]

An original document has the wet ink signature of the party who declares or testifies. A record can be made of that original under the seal of three parties; the originator, the witness(es) and the record keeper. From either, certified copies can be made to attest as to the existence of an original.

Who holds the original? Answer: the creator.

Wet Ink signatures can also mean seals or company trade marks. Bills of exchange act.
The BC's which are all originals are never held by the issuing state.
What purpose would a BC have to sit with the issuing party? Absolutely nothing.

Mom and Dad granted the SOLB to the state by filling it up (not filled in) and delivering it.
Its a bailment with Mom and Dad becoming the bailor and the state become the bailee.

The BC switch's Mom and Dad as being the bailee and the state becomes the bailor.

[Michael Joseph]

Wet Ink signatures can also mean seals or company trade marks. Bills of exchange act.
The BC's which are all originals are never held by the issuing state.
What purpose would a BC have to sit with the issuing party? Absolutely nothing.

Mom and Dad granted the SOLB to the state by filling it up (not filled in) and delivering it.
Its a bailment with Mom and Dad becoming the bailor and the state become the bailee.

The BC switch's Mom and Dad as being the bailee and the state becomes the bailor.

Yes bailment is an act of transfer of goods but said act is without transfer of ownership. To deliver is to make the abandonment of the livery. If I make the livery of goods upon you for the use of another is not that a confidence reposed in you?

The BC and the SSN are expressly not to be used as ID but is this the common practice of the henchman [corporate policy]? Is it possible to show ID proving one's trust in the State? What can be used to prove said trust? If you say mail - how did you establish the residence? If you say utility bills - how did you establish the account? If you say a lease, then how did you establish the lease? Etc.

I hope someone will take up my challenge of how to prove trust in a system that requires its own issue to prove the trust. How do you come into possession of said issue without first proving trust? Origins cannot be dismissed. Where was the first trust deed? Who performed it?

Perhaps if you name is registered into the Book of Life - you will be granted access into the Kingdom. Registry of Birth....

[allodial]

This might an insightful link: The Birth Certificate.

The certificate is of course an original. They historically are certifications of the existence of an entry in the "register of births".

The thing so many people seem to dodge around the the significance of the name being on the register. Too much time has been spent on the certificate itself rather than getting to the heart of the significance of the entry in the register. Back in the day when someone requested a birth certificate, the register was checked for the name and DOB and if an entry was found a CERTIFICATE WAS MADE THAT THE ENTRY EXISTS. What is the significance of the name being in the register?

[ag maniac]

This might an insightful link: The Birth Certificate.



The thing so many people seem to dodge around the the significance of the name being on the register. Too much time has been spent on the certificate itself rather than getting to the heart of the significance of the entry in the register. Back in the day when someone requested a birth certificate, the register was checked for the name and DOB and if an entry was found a CERTIFICATE WAS MADE THAT THE ENTRY EXISTS. What is the significance of the name being in the register?

Well, if one claims it as their own & identifies with it......I'd have to say the following depiction is most accurate

[allodial]

And if Uncle Sam (some refer to as Uncle Samael) owns a person: he is liable for the person's debts.

[BLBereans]

And if Uncle Sam (some refer to as Uncle Samael) owns a person: he is liable for the person's debts.

True; whoever claims to own, takes the full liability of the thing owned. The person is useless and worthless without some one who lives transmitting energy and labor through it. It is presumed that will happen, and, said person's transmissions and transactions are speculated against and then used as the "collateral" behind the nation's currency.

The bottom line is that the living man's labor, time and energy is property that can only be rightfully claimed by said man. No one has a higher claim to that time, energy and labor than the man from whom these things derive.

These things can be given freely from the living to the living without the need of a "person". However, when one uses a person, one enters into the realm of the DEAD, and, depending upon how one acts when one transacts in said realm, one will either be treated as equal to, and part of, the realm (DEAD) or as a foreigner (alive). Those who are truly recognized as man (alive) cannot be held liable for anything in the DEAD realm because a man (alive), who always acts as such, would not lay claim to anything in the DEAD realm.

The BC is evidence of an event, I agree. The event was that a person was created (birthed) and was registered with the STATE OF ...

Did baby do this? Did mom and dad do this? Who created the person, who registered it and for what purpose? Why was the living presented with this evidence (CERTIFICATE)?

My point is that the baby, who is associated with the event which created the BC, does NOT own the BC or the person associated with it. When baby grows up and chooses to utilize said person, he/she can only lay claim to the time, energy and labor he/she produces as his/her property.

Property is NOT ownership; a claim of ownership implies a claim to the marketable title of a thing whereby profit and gain are either sought out and/or stored - kept for the benefit of ME.

That goes against the teachings of Jesus the Christ who is The King of the Heavens and the earth. Those who seek out riches, wealth and security in this world in the form of worldly ownership claims, are treated as enemies of the people (living).

The more "secular" people think the government is, the more evidence emerges of God's Will and Law being implemented. Not to say that ALL those who hold office in government are fully aware of this; God can use anyone and anything in order to fulfill His ultimate Will regardless if one is aware or not.

[xparte]

Very any PERSON BYE STANDING [the innocent bystander ]we as a certificate are a Gold deposit ,LB your explanation is flawless as all mankind was registered under false gods.The Birth.C. and Death.C. are "secular" in every mining operation books need balance walking in holy spirit separates weights and measures as suffering is to labour miners stake the claim searching for a heart of gold is a weight only in Christ is the true measure of a mans soul. \The Biblical Law is know innocent bystander .WE all see on this form that STANDING before God claims no bystanders Christ,s only crime explains be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves. ... Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents?if i know thy self as that sheep yet be wise in that knowledge [NO ARGUMENTS snakes and ladders NO CLAIMS] the sheep's deception is his own.

[allodial]

True; whoever claims to own, takes the full liability of the thing owned. The person is useless and worthless without some one who lives transmitting energy and labor through it. It is presumed that will happen, and, said person's transmissions and transactions are speculated against and then used as the "collateral" behind the nation's currency.

Well maybe the state and the original purpose wasn't intended to be harmful to you and the reason state issues the certificate is so that you can use it to your advantage. But the disinformation is designed to make you not see that the state is willingly taking liability for the person as opposed to the bankster controlled MSM which has hidden the truth from you. Consider the trustee that hates you, vs. the trustee that loves you. The trustee that hates you knows how much you have and how wealthy you are would rather give you a million dollars buried under layers of cow poop and call it a sculpture hoping you will throw it away and not dig deeper.

Like I've mentioned over and over, cop asked me if I had a birth certificate. I replied that I was unaware of having (that means 'holding as a fiduciary or surety') any such thing. I asked, "Don't the birth certificates you are referring to belong to the State?" (He kept going on and shouting how we were "in the State of ..." trying to intentionally get me into an aggressive mode and thereby he undermined the King's Peace and offended the Crown in the process.--so I put the question to him about "the State" he was going on and on about.) He replied: "Yes." I asked "And so if it belongs to the State the 'names' on the thing you call a birth certificate also belong to the State then, right?" { I already knew the answers but figured but all his talk about "the State" the questions popped into my head and maybe subconsciously I felt it important to get the facts through his skull.} He replied "Yes." And I replied: "Well as far as I know I'm not the state. So how can any of those things be mine." He instantly said "I want you to leave!" Yet he was the one who got in my way and started the chat not me. I asked "How about me and my friend stay and continue to talk for a while?" He said "I want you to leave?" I said: "You know what. I decided that I will leave."

I have little respect for anyone who disrespects the office and the uniform while wearing it. Yet, I showed all of them love, patience and kindness throughout the entire 45 minute or so theft of my time.

Now before the BC question, I had been asked if I had a last name, SSN, date of birth, if I was unemployed. And I got ask those things TWICE by two cops including the tiny-sized duty officer. I am neither employed, employable, unemployed nor self-employed. I said however that I have the right to work. Employment is a servitude. I made it clear: no last name, no date of birth, no 'residence'. "Where is your house?" "North of here." "Is it in the city or is it in 'the count'?" "As far as I know its on the side of a hill not to far from {the forest or whatever obvious terrain marker} about {X} miles from here *pointing* straight that way I'd say." 100% honesty. "Where you born over here?" *cop points to the ground* "When you're a baby you don't tend to remember much of anything, right? As far as my family records show I was born in my family's private household." (just illustrations of Q&A)

I have even been asked if I have a "cell phone number". "What is your cellphone number?" {Last I checked ain't a cellphone!} Answer: "As far as I know my cell phone has a number. I'm unaware of having a cellphone number. Those are for cellphones aren't they?" This is truth. If you answer as 'having' (holding as in owning or being surety for it) they will take you as in ownership of a legal construct of a public utility--seriously. I was also asked about my home phone number. I was perplexed: "As far as I know that is the number of the telephone or telephone line itself. I'm unaware of it being MY number."

I had two forms of I.D.: one of which is a motorist competency certificate in card form. The other was a special driving license or evidence of the right to drive issued to me as non-resident (let's just say it was court issued)--neither ID were of U.S. State jurisdiction. He himself even asserted the validity of the license which he himself called a driver's license when he asked "Do you have any other license? Have you ever applied for any other license?" Now to apply for something means to do it willingly--and if you say yes you will be buying "the whole horse" of his meaning. To be a party to anything means to so WILLINGLY by definition. Keep that in mind. I had never been arrested or actually convicted of any crime. Truth is: I have never applied for any licenses, passports or anything of the kind he was suggesting.

I had earlier even asked him if he would like to shoot me or arrest me too because he was getting very red in the face and angry and spitting like a total psychopath. Honestly, I was 110% in the right. The first cop simply approached me out of curiosity. 'We just like to know who is out here?" I suppose going to a vending machine at night (as if that matters) to get two drinks and return to my car then drive to the same parking spot I left to talk PEACEFULLY and QUIETLY with a friend (having made ZERO noise or commotion) on the private parking lot of a crowded shopping center with a hundred workers buzzing away was something full of astonishment and wonder? TBH, the duty boss (3rd policy enforcement officer) came off as a total psychopath who shouldn't be holding office. He was angry over the realization that I'm not one of his subjects. The other two cops with him were pretty cool guys. If I ran the department, I'd probably have fired or demoted the duty boss and promoted the more senior cop (bigger guy and far more sane and in control IMHO.)

Keep in mind, not holding any public office of any kind == no last name. Wouldn't it be pretty odd for me to confess to all the liabilities of someone holding an office yet receiving ZERO benefits, pay. Why would I do something as freaking stupid as that? I have never received a single dime of benefits from the U.S. government. I haven't even received ('receiving' can be a crime, btw) a dime of unemployment, welfare. So not on the public payroll, not on the public dole, no free public housing, no free public car, no free public anything: why should I have any liabilities that go with having received something I never got?


So why was he angry? Cos I aint his b--subject.

[BLBereans]

Well maybe the state and the original purpose wasn't intended to be harmful to you and the reason state issues the certificate is so that you can use it to your advantage. But the disinformation is designed to make you not see that the state is willingly taking liability for the person as opposed to the bankster controlled MSM which has hidden the truth from you. Consider the trustee that hates you, vs. the trustee that loves you. The trustee that hates you knows how much you have and how wealthy you are would rather give you a million dollars buried under layers of cow poop and call it a sculpture hoping you will throw it away and not dig deeper.

It was not my intention to suggest that the state and the original purpose was intended to be harmful. In fact, I thought I suggested just the opposite.

Who gains an advantage when the state issued certificate is used? I say the state gets the advantage whether one uses it belligerently (as most people do due to the disinformation you mentioned) or peacefully and honorably.

[shikamaru]

It was not my intention to suggest that the state and the original purpose was intended to be harmful. In fact, I thought I suggested just the opposite.

Who gains an advantage when the state issued certificate is used? I say the state gets the advantage whether one uses it belligerently (as most people do due to the disinformation you mentioned) or peacefully and honorably.

Historical bit:

The Church originally administered births (baptisms), marriages (banns), and deaths (probate) in England.

[David Merrill]

I can see how a template of trust law might indicate this is true. However you indicate there might be some kind of monetary value or even any value whatsoever to this certificate?

I went through all this with a Canadian Freeman named Robert MANARD. There is a clause in the constitution there about "Security of the Person" he misconstrued miserably. You might be able to view this video by searching around for it - Security of the Person. The 5:00 Minute Mark had Rob telling the viewer (1:00 Hour Mark too) that the Canadian Birth Certificate was a stock certificate worth quite a bit of money - untrue.

He seems to have given up his quest to assert this myth.

Any beneficial interest certificate is only evidence of interest. The value of the property which one holds a share in can only be known when said property has a buyer. That is the beauty of trust. The BIC holder only holds an interest in personality. And that is generally reflected in avails proceeds etc. therefore the BIC itself is valueless. Therefore not taxable. The rich use this simple strategy. It is quite effective when one has a skilled trustee.

Nobody ever seems to be finding any real connection to the Birth Certificate of even Certificate of Live Birth to any redeemable value. This leaves me to believe it is nothing but a health record for tracking population for statistical and maybe even epidemiological purposes. There has been a comment about registration of a new CROWN ORGANIZATION, which might appertain to City of London and Vatican in conjunction - but without redeemable value I am still unconvinced that the Birth Certificate is a financial instrument.

So I focus on these two posts at the beginning of the thread. I am left to wonder how to describe:

If a properly issued trust value certificate is filled out and endorsed by the beneficiaries on the backside, then the original is returned to the Trustee in trust, it seems to me that the Trustee is full owner in trust. The Trust is still extant for the health, welfare and beneficial interest of the beneficiaries but with fully endorsed value returned to the Trustee the corpus of the trust, the real property is "owned" by the Trustee.

Now this applies to accepting debt for currency, then endorsing the debt, and returning it to a state or national bank. But this still seems to be a transaction completely independent of the Birth Certificate as an instrument. The Birth Certificate almost always plays a role in identification because you need one to get the Government-Issued ID card that identifies you to the Bank. So I am always watching for that evidence linking the BC to finances.

Holographic overlay tells me that guilt - Paul's Roman citizenship overlaid by his Benjamite upbringing in sacrificial law - converts God's love into currency.


Jesus better NOT come back, until MY church is in the black!