Birth Certificate - What it is

[allodial]

BC, DL, passport, phone bill , doesn't matter.
All are judicial persons. You own none of them, but you can be all of them.

Ask your self these questions with all the accounts listed above.
Who is the "accommodating party"?
Who's the "principal obligor"?
Who's the "secondary obligor"?

What do you by "doesn't matter"? What "doesn't matter" to whom? Also, I wouldn't be so errant (or foolish) as to claim ownership of those persons in a unwise manner. Owner is synonymous with surety. The nihilistic approach is how fruitful? It aint , you cant, it wont. But what about what can, is, will?

Ask your self these questions with all the accounts listed above.
Who is the "accommodating party"?
Who's the "principal obligor"?
Who's the "secondary obligor"?

I'm not sure how answering those questions apply to my circumstance. While they might apply to others. The SSAN is an account number. The driver license number is an account number. The names are not necessarily accounts. The mistake many have made is that they think they know when they do not. They make wide sweeping mental leaps and merge things that are distinct and different--too quick to be 'aha I got you' and rather than realizing that they might need to slow down and stop making (vain) presumptions.





The name on the birth certificate is not the same name on a driver license--it is not something I type that anyone can say is "wild and elusive and so vurray mysterious" BECAUSE YOU CAN LOOK FOR YOURSELF. With respect to a driver license a man can take suretyship by singing underneath (undewriting). With respect to a court case, by answering to the name of the *defendant*. There is an unmistakable pattern if you look at things from the eyes of a child rather than of an adult that thinks he/she knows everything.

Is "water pump" the same as "pump water"? Is Jensen Dakota the same Dakota Jensen?

[allodial]

It might be safe to say that the solution is between your ears which has been much the point, but when someone sees that they are reading (int) things with cognitive dyslexia and functionally illiteracy and can be humble in that realization (pissed..at yourself?)--then yes the solution can be between the ears because the that is where the problem has been.

[walter]

What do you by "doesn't matter"? What "doesn't matter" to whom?

Not our property, why would we care? Unless one wants to use their property then one will care.

[allodial]

Not our property, why would we care? Unless one wants to use their property then one will care.

Good point. But, there are those who are in different situations than you are I might be.

[allodial]

There is talk in this thread of giving the BC back.
That's great but did you cancel it?
http://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/DownloadAs...a410b_fill.pdf

That for has to do with reporting a lost or stolen BC. If I were to cancel something I'd cancel the original application. Each certification stands on its own.

[george]

elsewhere some are saying to get the certificate of live birth authenticated and it will then be an original in your possession and since the Birth certificate is made by the certificate of live birth (the actual matrix or original instrument) they would then be your property.

I would like to verify/confirm that authentication process does actually make an original instrument out of a copy>

anyone? there are several reports of this process working to start another more involved process of what ends in diplomatic imunity.

alodial you and MJ are have interesting coversations and it may not seem like it but I think you both bring out the best in each other, the best useful info anyway. Ive given up on finding any real solutions at this site and David Merrill seems to have lost intrest a while ago on these subjects. so much for lesson plans LOL

previous members, many who posted on this thread also seemed to have moved on except the one guy with two different usernames taling to himself in this thread but thats no longer possible since one of him is banned now.

I really mis suijurisclub! had high hopes when STS came about too. oh well..


so anyway, can authenticating a COLB or BC be fruitful? if noone has an answer then at some point I plan to so I will remember to share here if/when I am able.

thanks

[Chex]

Funny your post #203

[Chex]

They say:

But I do not owe any debt to the United States. http://fms.treas.gov/news/handbook/index.html

Contact the federal or state agency collecting the debt which is listed in the notice you received. If you need information about whom to contact, call the Treasury Offset Program Help Desk toll-free at (800) 304-3107.

If your debt has been paid in full, or if you do not owe the debt for other reasons, the agency collecting the debt is responsible for returning to you any part of your payment that should not have been reduced. http://fiscal.treasury.gov/fsservice...ns_top_pub.htm

These listings are not searchable by personal identifiers, such as a person's name or social security number.

Personal identifiers.

A personal identifier is a data element within a data set that singly or in combination can uniquely identify an individual, such as a social security number , name, ... http://itlaw.wikia.com/wiki/Personal_identifier

Guidance on Redacting Personal Data Identifiers in Electronically Filed Documents

[shikamaru]

They say:

But I do not owe any debt to the United States. http://fms.treas.gov/news/handbook/index.html

Contact the federal or state agency collecting the debt which is listed in the notice you received. If you need information about whom to contact, call the Treasury Offset Program Help Desk toll-free at (800) 304-3107.

If your debt has been paid in full, or if you do not owe the debt for other reasons, the agency collecting the debt is responsible for returning to you any part of your payment that should not have been reduced. http://fiscal.treasury.gov/fsservice...ns_top_pub.htm

These listings are not searchable by personal identifiers, such as a person's name or social security number.

Personal identifiers.

A personal identifier is a data element within a data set that singly or in combination can uniquely identify an individual, such as a social security number , name, ... http://itlaw.wikia.com/wiki/Personal_identifier

Guidance on Redacting Personal Data Identifiers in Electronically Filed Documents

Most records age out or become "deceased" if no claims or registers occur in 5 to 7 years. Some records take longer.

Breathe not life into such items with claims such as registration or proclamation.

Besides, such records belong to the corporation. They merely need life energy transferred into them. An actor.

[allodial]

Funny your post #203

I've noticed more States are starting to use Middle Name spelled out on DLs and IDs. However, the order is still

LAST FIRST MIDDLE

which is not the same name as on the birth certificate.

[walter]

That for has to do with reporting a lost or stolen BC. If I were to cancel something I'd cancel the original application. Each certification stands on its own.

Its the only form I have found that cancels a BC.
When you cancel a BC anything created by using that BC is void.
Can not the filled out cancellation form be used as evidence that you are not the holder of it?
Just a thought.

And yes each BC certificate stands on its own meaning to the rest of you reading this is that they are ALL ORIGINALS.

[walter]

elsewhere some are saying to get the certificate of live birth authenticated and it will then be an original in your possession and since the Birth certificate is made by the certificate of live birth (the actual matrix or original instrument) they would then be your property.

Chopped this one to pieces and I don't buy it.
All BC are originals.
If you created the original then you are the holder in due course, you are liable on the instrument.

If you could hold the original SOLB where would you put it?
Once you remove the original from the states files you will become stateless and considered a refugee.
Then you would need protection from plunder because you have no nation.
You are not under a compact.
I can chain you up in my yard like a dog and there is nothing anybody can do for you.
Unless the state you just fled stands up for you and protects your refugee status under International law.
You see what just happened?
Lowering of your status.

Authentication proves they are truly a governemnt created document. (verifying the oath of the signatory)
Legalization makes the document valid in a foreign venue.
When you create a duplicate original document of title then both title holders are liable on the instrument.
Do you want to be liable for someone else instruments when you don't know what accounts and charges have been placed on them? No thanks.

I have called the authentication place in Canada a couple of times and asked them question.
They were very helpful in explaining to me the process.

[xparte]

In the tennis court handing over the racket and leaving the court was essential for me? returning their BC&DL was symbolic only to make it clear NAMES on government papers are government property if a person is property if i return a persona in its NAME what is the WARRANT ISSUED FOR BUT THE BODY what is between a court admin ears and mine Air for me paper for them? how plain can a person be as plain as BC&DL the Air is verbal vibration energy THE AIR HEAD WONT PLAY TENNIS now what remedy in- rem be that judge ask how do we get this airhead arrests 3 fails to appear 3 mail john h christ sends it back as undeliverable how would the wealth and breath of air in every man on this site get this prick that is my remedy? all clues yet why the mystery Please a dysfunctional past is PROPERTY OF THE FUTURE this there BABEL a bear asked a rabbit hey big ears any problem with shit stikin to fur none great says the bear and wipes his ass? Admin the text book bullies bookies need the book .George it is growth when sites get sluggish u cant throw away your encyclopaedias just cause the wife gotta answers for everything its your site your air find some reruns from the old site throw nuthin away.

[george]

thanks for your input on my inquiry walter. calling these people on the phone to ask these types of questions is not something I have tried for several reasons but if I cant find the info I need to verify/confirm authentication elsewhere I may have to do that. I can already imagine the hold times and run around I'll probably get into there though. probably have to speak to a computer at some point also.

George it is growth when sites get sluggish u cant throw away your encyclopaedias just cause the wife gotta answers for everything its your site your air find some reruns from the old site throw nuthin away.

hi xparte, suijurisclub had a tremendous wealth of knowledge that was all lost when the admin went missing and then database purged. along with a 300+ page thread by David Merrill as he battled it out in real-time with the system. and his 300 million dollar lien and where he offered a share in that to the membership. its how I became convinced David was walking the talk. posted his record keeping step by step though the whole deal too.

[allodial]

Its the only form I have found that cancels a BC.
When you cancel a BC anything created by using that BC is void.
Can not the filled out cancellation form be used as evidence that you are not the holder of it?
Just a thought.

And yes each BC certificate stands on its own meaning to the rest of you reading this is that they are ALL ORIGINALS.

One can just surrender it like any other property can be surrendered, and appoint the attorney general to take over. This is from way back... (see attachment). But cancellation is another topic really. Looking for forms? Anyone can make forms. Forms are what they agree upon as acceptable per compliance with regulations. IMHO one would want something to fill the void, if necessary. And I am not suggesting cancelling vs not cancelling, just an FYI.