Exactly what does the IRS agent think?

[Chex]

I am seriously considering a class action lawsuit against the IRS. The compact in in Article 4 which irrevocably places the authority to collect a direct tax in the hands of the state legislatures. Also demand findings of facts and conclusions of law, if not required by the rules of court.

Article I, Section 8, Clauses 1 through 10.
The Constitution is the Solution Temecula Constitution Study with Douglas V. Gibbs August 19, 2010

But xxxx "Stop throwing the Constitution in my face. It's just a gxxxxxxxd piece of paper!"

PRO SE

Polly A. Graves-Taylor, Plaintiff

(A) there is an installment agreement between the taxpayer and the Secretary, prior to the date which is 90 days after the expiration of any period for collection agreed upon in writing by the Secretary and the taxpayer at the time the installment agreement was entered into; or

If a timely proceeding in court for the collection of a tax is commenced, the period during which such tax may be collected by levy shall be extended and shall not expire until the liability for the tax (or a judgment against the taxpayer arising from such liability) is satisfied or becomes unenforceable.

[pumpkin]

I am seriously considering a class action lawsuit against the IRS.

My suggestion is to demand a preliminary injuction in the state courts against the IRS. This way it cannot be removed to federal court, as the anti-injunction act forbids the federal courts to entertain an action against any federal tax collecting agency. The state constitution is the power here, also the compact between the people and the states, The Ordinance of 1789. The compact in in Article 4 which irrevocably places the authority to collect a direct tax in the hands of the state legislatures. Also demand findings of facts and conclusions of law, if not required by the rules of court.

[Chex]

I can see where he is coming from................

On December 10, the good guys come together, or a final nail goes into the rule of law's coffin.

LET IT BE SAID PLAINLY: Forcing someone to declare herself indebted to another party-- whether by court order or threat of penalty for not making such a declaration-- is not a legitimate, lawful act of any organ of the state. Instead, it is a corrupt, tyrannical act, and prohibited by the United States Constitution's speech, due process and equal protection provisions.

LET IT BE CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD: Compelling someone to declare a belief that her earnings are "income" taxable by the United States is compelling her to declare herself indebted to the United States (or to declare her agreement with material facts under which the tax debt then arises as a matter of law). Compelling someone to declare her earnings on a line in the "income" section of a testimonial document like a 1040-- whether by direct command or by threat of a penalty for not doing so-- is compelling her to declare a belief that those earnings are "income" and subject to the tax.

LET IT BE RECOGNIZED: If someone's earnings ARE actually subject to the tax as a matter of law, and the government is aware of them sufficiently to command their declaration on a 1040, there can be no legitimate purpose for compelling their declaration, even were doing so not Constitutionally prohibited. Such an effort to compel can only serve a government interest if those earnings ARE NOT actually subject to the tax as a matter of law.
Earnings actually subject to the tax are so subject whether the recipient agrees or not. Compelling agreement with that fact is pointless as well as illegal. All the government needs to do is create its own return declaring the earnings to be "income" over a sworn signature-- which it is, in fact, required to do by law if the recipient of the earnings hasn't already agreed to the tax. Needless to say, this is both simpler, cheaper and easier than attempting to compel agreement from the recipient, and involves no Constitutional issues. (And again, it is mandated by law in any event).

Compulsion of declared "agreement" is only of use to the government where the earnings in question are NOT actually taxable. Its purpose is to eliminate the recipient's ability to dispute the application of the tax to those earnings, and allow the government to proceed as though those earnings are taxable as a matter of law.

Declared agreement creates a false appearance of "no dispute over material facts".

The government is relieved of what otherwise would be its burdens of proof (or, more exactly, its obligation to walk away from the untaxable earnings and confine its attention to gains legitimately subject to the tax, in regard to which no coerced fiction of agreement is needed).

The tax can then collected-- improperly, but with a superficial appearance of legitimacy which is impenetrable by anyone not educated about the actual objects of the tax and how it is applied under the law.

BUT THERE COULD NEVER BE SUCH COMPELLED AGREEMENT IN AMERICA, you say! Such a thing could never happen here!!

Wrong. It IS happening here, right now. And you'd better pay attention and get involved.

Continued...

[Chex]

With that said I like to bump this thread a little before a march on the treasury.

Your not a NAME your a NUMBER = IRS BMF,IMF, NMF IRAF and EPMF

[martin earl]

I am seriously considering a class action lawsuit against the IRS. Will the judge be willing to overturn the law? What I mean is this:

Job 10:15 If I be wicked, woe unto me; and if I be righteous, yet will I not lift up my head. I am full of confusion; therefore see thou mine affliction;

So I find that the Name is a Person of State and therefore will the State rely upon the Policy of Necessity or will truth win out? Nevertheless, I shall remain righteous and call upon Heaven to record the events to be held over until Judgment Day. In other words, the State might just take the same position as Creator - so whether the End User be righteous or not, it does not matter - in the light of Policy.

Therefore, even though I will march into the fire, my King may deliver me or not, it is up to my King. ALL THINGS are under the feet of Jesus Christ - ALL THINGS. Thus the witness.

Where two or more are gathered in my name....Class Action.

Mat 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.

Mat 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

Mat 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

Mat 18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Mat 18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.

Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

All offices of State are Ecclesiastical. So if I go privately and am met with repugnance, then I am to go again with a witness. And then I will proceed before the Public - Class Action complaint. How am I to initiate that action - I claim in the name of Jesus Christ in and to the THING. I am a Witness to His Glory.


Shalom Brethren,
Michael Joseph

"Complaints alleging discrimination by Treasury Department employees can be filed with the Department's Office of Inspector General (OIG). Complaints alleging discrimination by any other Treasury Department employees can also be filed with the OIG.
Office of Internal Affairs
U.S. Customs Service
U.S. Department of the Treasury
P.O. Box 14475
1200 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20044
1-877-422-2557 (24 hours/day)
202-927-1016
202-927-4607 (fax)

http://www.customs.gov/travel/cmplnt.htm

Office of the Inspector General
U.S. Department of the Treasury
740 15th St NW, Suite 500
Washington, DC 20220
1-800-359-3898
202-927-5799 (fax)
http://www.treas.gov/oig/ (click on "Hotline" for contact information).

I will gladly file the complaint, would any like to help me write it?
There must be someone with law of the land authority at the treasury, they still coin money there and account for currency not subject to the national debt limit, someone has to be in charge of the trust set up in 1933 and oversee the gold coin which was seized by the "New deal", I would think that is the responsible party we need to talk to.

Shall we take a trip to their office under peaceful negotiations for a redress of grievances and high crimes and misdemeanors against us? I will go!

[martin earl]

An ART III class action? Those demanding redemption per 12 USC 411 are the smallest minority for sure!
Also, there has never been a case involving this minority group, so the assertion by the IRS the stand we take is "frivolous" is patently false.

It has long been my standing we do NOT receive recognition from the Treasury department for our demand (thus no proper representation nor enforcement for the US/state/irs when it violates the laws of the land against us).

The METRO is rouge and its the fault of the Treasury for violating its fiduciary duty to recognise the minority group demanding redemption per 12 USC 411 and it needs to be stopped.

So how do we proceed?

[doug555]

I am seriously considering a class action lawsuit against the IRS. Will the judge be willing to overturn the law? What I mean is this:

Job 10:15 If I be wicked, woe unto me; and if I be righteous, yet will I not lift up my head. I am full of confusion; therefore see thou mine affliction;

So I find that the Name is a Person of State and therefore will the State rely upon the Policy of Necessity or will truth win out? Nevertheless, I shall remain righteous and call upon Heaven to record the events to be held over until Judgment Day. In other words, the State might just take the same position as Creator - so whether the End User be righteous or not, it does not matter - in the light of Policy.

Therefore, even though I will march into the fire, my King may deliver me or not, it is up to my King. ALL THINGS are under the feet of Jesus Christ - ALL THINGS. Thus the witness.

Where two or more are gathered in my name....Class Action.

Mat 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.

Mat 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

Mat 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

Mat 18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Mat 18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.

Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

All offices of State are Ecclesiastical. So if I go privately and am met with repugnance, then I am to go again with a witness. And then I will proceed before the Public - Class Action complaint. How am I to initiate that action - I claim in the name of Jesus Christ in and to the THING. I am a Witness to His Glory.


Shalom Brethren,
Michael Joseph

Perhaps another alternative... depending upon your True Bill. See example claim below:
http://broadmind.org/uploads/AMY_FIN...v_DFCS__1_.doc

[Michael Joseph]

"One last point; since I have yet to receive my 2013 Federal 1040 refund, I maintain IRS is improperly holding my Lawful Money - refund, since on & for the Record, before any payment entries are ever made to me, what WILL be paid to me is demanded, Lawful Money."

I agree, what's more, they are demanding I pay them a 10000 $ penalty for noticing them of my demanded redemption via the 1040!

So, I think I will NOTICE them of the facts!

I am seriously considering a class action lawsuit against the IRS. Will the judge be willing to overturn the law? What I mean is this:

Job 10:15 If I be wicked, woe unto me; and if I be righteous, yet will I not lift up my head. I am full of confusion; therefore see thou mine affliction;

So I find that the Name is a Person of State and therefore will the State rely upon the Policy of Necessity or will truth win out? Nevertheless, I shall remain righteous and call upon Heaven to record the events to be held over until Judgment Day. In other words, the State might just take the same position as Creator - so whether the End User be righteous or not, it does not matter - in the light of Policy.

Therefore, even though I will march into the fire, my King may deliver me or not, it is up to my King. ALL THINGS are under the feet of Jesus Christ - ALL THINGS. Thus the witness.

Where two or more are gathered in my name....Class Action.

Mat 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.

Mat 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

Mat 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

Mat 18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Mat 18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.

Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

All offices of State are Ecclesiastical. So if I go privately and am met with repugnance, then I am to go again with a witness. And then I will proceed before the Public - Class Action complaint. How am I to initiate that action - I claim in the name of Jesus Christ in and to the THING. I am a Witness to His Glory.


Shalom Brethren,
Michael Joseph

[martin earl]

"One last point; since I have yet to receive my 2013 Federal 1040 refund, I maintain IRS is improperly holding my Lawful Money - refund, since on & for the Record, before any payment entries are ever made to me, what WILL be paid to me is demanded, Lawful Money."

I agree, what's more, they are demanding I pay them a 10000 $ penalty for noticing them of my demanded redemption via the 1040!

So, I think I will NOTICE them of the facts!

[Mark Allan]

The question for me is; how is it Line 21 - Other Income has been defined as to where Redemption of Lawful Money is properly stated?
I ask this group why not, possibly, Line(s) 40, & or 42 wouldn't be the much more logical avenue.

Other Income Line 21 as a < > negative number just seems confusing.
Is it we are trying to modify, break the connection to the presumption of Income?

Whereas, Line 40 Deductions seems so much easier & logical to express there, and more aligned with what presumably, IRS might be better able to process.

What is presently define as "Standard Deduction" is $1000 for a filing individual..., (UNLESS like myself, I can't claim ANY Standard Deduction, as current rules apply that, if your spouse files separately, AND includes Itemized Deduction(s), filer, (me) is NOT allowed to take the "Standard Deduction")

As learned, probably on this site, that $1000 is "allowed" since it is the presumption of your usage of United States coinage. [Lawful Money].
So, in this regard, this is where IRS is pointing to filers as to where to place Lawful Money deductions...., in my opinion.
Granted, there are defined constraints & restrictions, and boundaries around "deduction(s)", but this really shouldn't be any different in practice than accessing & utilizing Line 21 - Other Income(?), except a Filer will then be entering $ amounts, but in positive numbers.
This just seems more aligned with the published law & ongoing practice of finding & utilizing deductions, to reduce / lower presumed Income.

I suggest Lawful Money is a deduction, not necessarily confined to use on Line 21.
While it has certainly shown itself to be practical, to this point, is it possible another valid approach might be usage of Line 40, and or Line 42?

Additionally, for myself, I would suggest Line 42 may also serve my filing needs, since this line is where Exemptions are stated.
For 2013 Filing, a wet ink - updated W-4 was provided to my employer with Line 7 informing on my "Mandatory Exception per 12 USC 411.

Being this Thread is ~ "What does an ...think?:, anybody care to weigh in?

One last point; since I have yet to receive my 2013 Federal 1040 refund, I maintain IRS is improperly holding my Lawful Money - refund, since on & for the Record, before any payment entries are ever made to me, what WILL be paid to me is demanded, Lawful Money.

IRS believes it is retaining my paid in withholding on presumed tax due for Income.
By my accounting, IRS is in possession of, (my) Lawful Money.
They wrongly think it to be tax receipts since it was given to them by my employer.

Mark Allan

[Chex]

http://www.campaignforliberty.org/na...rtys-property/

When the IRS Attacks http://www.campaignforliberty.org/na...g/irs-attacks/

Select Your State http://www.campaignforliberty.org/community/#mapanchorhttp://www.campaignforliberty.org/re...it-fed-effort/

[David Merrill]

Thank you for mentioning it! I have edited the opening post with the Memorandums. There is not much I can do about the pages the IRS has removed.

[bsperlazzo]

Several Dead Links

Several of the links in the original post (see below) are dead links.
Could someone please update the post and submit correct links?

Thanks!

Required Reading. His boss tells him what he has to read, to train him about the guidelines about when to issue a warning or $5K penalty for a frivolous filing.

I invite even the most skeptical readers to find a directive about redeeming lawful money as framed in the Fed Act and Title 12.

http://www.irs.gov/taxexemptbond/20k...134362,00.html - notices

http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=168637,00.html

Notice 2007-61

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/n-07-30.pdf

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/3498/frivolouspositionsmemor.pdf

Notice 2007-30

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/n-08-14.pdf

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/3498/frivolouspositionsmemor.pdf

Notice 2008-14

http://www.irs.treas.gov/pub/irs-drop/n-10-33.pdf

http://img862.imageshack.us/img862/3498/frivolouspositionsmemor.pdf

Notice 2010-33

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-ccdm/cc-2011-004.pdf

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/friv_tax.pdf

Notice 2011-004


To save time I suggest keywords to search:


lawful
redeem
redemption
Title 12
411

[Keith Alan]

Froze...I don't think there is a statute or reg or decision that specifically call this out. I think this is where metaphysics comes into play. If the FRN's are discharged by notice & demand then they would essentially be treated as USN's.

The questions I would ask then is: can my demand be considered inherent and my notice is this conversation.

I wonder why - since when one makes his demand, the US always subsequently defaults - the US would ever challenge your considering of FRN as USN.

[doug555]

Whats in your wallet? Your richer then you think.
I always chuckle when I hear that line.

Whats the letter "B" for on the Fed note? (center left)
Bonded? Bankrupt? Borrowed? Bullshit? etc.

http://www.littletoncoin.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Display%7C10001%7C10001%7C-1%7C%7CLearnNav%7CFederal-Reserve-Districts.html